Posted on 11/04/2011 7:39:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
“You can put a program into place in which these individuals can be identified, and work visas in which they can move back and forth between their countries but not to become United States citizens,” Perry said. “And I think that’s where McCain, that’s where Romney, that’s where even Bush went wrong when they talked about the issue that, ‘we’re going to give amnesty to these individuals,’ and people just said, ‘no, we’re not.’”
Perry didn’t elaborate on what such a visa plan would look like, saying only that authorities need to determine a better way to identify illegal immigrants and make them part of mainstream society. He also said the program would only work if the federal government first does a better job securing America’s borders.
“I disagree with the concept that somehow or another we’re going to pack up 10, to 12, to 15 million people and ship them back to the country of origin. That’s not going to happen,” Perry said. “So realty has to be part of our conversation. And then you need to have a strategy to deal with it. That is what I think we will have, but first you have to secure that border.”
Perry called Washington’s efforts to stop the flow of illegal immigrants “an abject failure” but said that, as president, he could accomplish the task in just a year using the existing fence, more border patrol agents and air surveillance.
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What I do know is it obviously CAN be done, almost every other country on earth DOES it, and the majority has the will to do it.
Its our political leaders and other monied interests who don't want it done and I'm not comfortable leaving the fate of my country in their hands.
That’s crapola Heiss and you know. Everything the man has said and done says that he’s for controlling the border and identifying those illegals who are here.
The High School program was IDENTIFYING the illegals among us and putting some controls on them and their parents.
Are we blind or what?
Here he is bring forth a program that would IDENTIFY the illegals among us, but not be foolish enough to attempt a mass deportation. It would involve a Visa program that would enable transfer back and forth for work, it would obviously call into question the whole anchor baby concept with those visa-bound immigrants readily admitting their allegiance to their country of origin, and it would require them to get in line with their compatriots who legally apply for US citizenship should they desire US citizenship.
It’s the most sane proposal I’ve heard yet about the illegals among us, and I’m in with it.
I am with you on the 1965 Immigration Law. However, let me put forth another idea.
Will the world population demographic trends allow the pre-1965 formula to work? That is, are there enough white Europeans left?
I am just asking the questions, and I’m not trying to lead to anything other than to get other people’s ideas.
Here’s an example:
Say you own a baseball team. Your team is all white, but you can only put 15 people on the bench because there just aren’t enough good white players.
The opposing team is all third world and brown. They have 40 players, all of them excellent players because the opposing team owner has a larger recruiting pool.
But you want to win games. What do you do?
One option would be to drop the “all white” hiring policy from your team and try to hire away the opponents brown players.
That’s one way of winning. Are there any others?
His policy is for amnesty, period.
The end result would be massive influx of new illegals (oh, exceuse me, I mean new guest workers) in addition to legalizing millions of existing illegals (oh, excuse me, guest workers).
This means overcrowded schools, hospitals and increase in murder rates, DWIs, and all the other nice things that will enriched the lives ot “nativists” or “racists” as your side calls us law-abiding americans.
How is he opposed to amnesty when he said he’d want to make them citizens?
>>“Come and go” is come only.
Perry is at least honest, pro-illegal he is<<
If you can’t see the difference between an “illegal” and a legal guest worker, what’s the point of even discussing this?
On a second point, brought up elsewhere, if a legal guest worker program is established (and it should be), then any child born to someone here as a guest worker should not be automatically considered a citizen of the U.S., nor should any child born of someone here illegally.
In the first case, the parents would return home with their child, a citizen of whatever country they came in from, and in the second the child would be sent back with the parents when detained by immigration.
Obviously, both situations require that the government finally get a handle on who’s in the country legally.
If we want to solve our immigration issues Perry will be a good start, but he’ll need a solid Republican Congress behind him because the Left has no desire to stem the illegal immigration problem.
I guess my question points back to Rick Perry’s contention that building a double-wide, electric fence along the border is not cost effective.
Now, I will grant you this other point not raise. That over time, troops and drones are going to be a hefty monthly recurring expense, and will probably ecllipse a one time capital investment of a fence.
The next question on those points will be that even if you built the fence, would you still have the hefty monthly recurring expense of troops and drones still to protect the fence?
So, my conclusion is that Perry’s idea is the right direction and most cost-efficient.
Cut off the welfare and free schooling for illegals and use e-verify (which he opposes) and the problem will pretty much solve itself.
Once upon a time in 1975, Texas passed a law requiring state money not be used for the education of illegals and directing public school districts to deny their enrollment
All was well but this was challenged, and eventually went to the SCOTUS which, in 1982 ruled that children illegally in this country had a right to a public education
So Texas, which has a 1,500 mile border with Mexico found itself up to its keister with children brought to this country illegally and raised here. They were and are educated in U.S. schools, and are culturally American. However, they remain illegal.
The Texas Legislature, including the conservative Republicans in it, and Perry decided it would be best for everybody to allow them the in-state tuition that their classmates were getting.
Those choosing to take advantage of it would become more productive residents of their communities, it was thought, and, as I understand it, the state would actually make some money as the Texas colleges turn a profit on those paying the in-state tuition rate.
While I would certainly not want my state to adopt such a policy being as how we are far from the border and should not do anything to make us a magnet for illegals, I fully understand the Texans' reasoning. It seems they are basically trying to take the lemons they got and make some lemonade.
I'm dead-set against this.
Illegals are illegal. They should be kicked out.
U R hopeless.
I haven't seen any evidence that he is.
I think the accusations to that point were way off base.
If illegals are made legal, that is amnesty. Thanks for clarifying.
Perry solves illegal immigration by legalizing them.
worth repeating, from thread below:
“I’m over simplifying here, but if they apply for work permits, and are on record, they aren’t in the same sense an “illegal alien” any longer.
Then they are granting amnesty.
“Amnesty: the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals”
If the government, by issuing work permits, pardons a groups prior illegal acts, than they, by definition, are granting amnesty.
You can’t have it both ways.” Prokopton
How do you square this circle?
By calling the rest of us names, like lefties?
Perry is so close, but can’t seem to clear this hurdle:
If he would just say, “I’ll enforce the law.” Period.
Frankly I don’t think Mexico or mexicans will go for this.
It sounds like the old Bracero program. The workers had to good through a background check in Mexico before they could get the Alien Worker Card. and then a 2nd step to get into U.S. There would be some that would go through the process.
But without actually closing the border, I don’t think the criminals etc will stop crossing illegally.
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The Bracero Program, 1942-1964
Dependence on Mexican labor has been a source of great opportunity as well as great conflict for Mexicans and Americans. In 1942, facing labor shortages caused by World War II, the United States initiated a series of agreements with Mexico to recruit Mexican men to work on U.S. farms and railroads. These agreements became known as the bracero program. (Bracero is a term used in Mexico for a manual laborer.)
Between 1942 and 1964, an estimated two million Mexican men came to the United States on short-term labor contracts. A little-known chapter of American and Mexican history, the bracero program touched the lives of countless men, women, families, and communities. Both bitter and sweet, the bracero experience tells a story of exploitation but also of opportunity........”Mexican farm workers . . . are contributing their skill and their toil to the production of vitally needed food.”
“Los trabajadores agrícolas mexicanos . . . están contribuyendo con su habilidad y su esfuerzo a la producción de alimentos vitalmente necesarios.”
Franklin D. Roosevelt
President of the United States / Presidente de los Estados Unidos
Monterey, México, 1943
Expectations
Braceros and U.S. farmers had many hopes for the program. U.S. farmers wanted temporary labor to harvest crops, and Mexico was willing to supply it. Economic depression in Mexico and the prospect of short-term work in the United States encouraged millions of Mexican men to begin the long process of being selected for the program. Men journeyed north for many reasons — most out of necessity, some to seek adventure, and others to start a new life.
http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/small_exhibition.cfm?key=1267&exkey=770&pagekey=773
I tried that once with Perry supporters, only saw one who was even remotely interested in "honest debate".
Works BOTH ways.
Realistically we have to do something to place the parents of anchor babies under the jurisdiction of the United States. In addition to granting work visas and allowing these people to move freely to their “home” countries, we need to make a provision of this law that children of parents who are here on temporary visas are not citizens of the United States by nature of their birth.
Congress needs to define “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States” to mean that only the children of parents who are citizens or who have applied for and received permanent residency at the time of their birth would be eligible for birthright citizenship.
Face it there are more illegal aliens who live in the United States now than there are residents of the United States who live under the Mountain time zone excluding Texas.
They aren’t going back to Mexico or Central America unless they know they can come back here without fear of being sent back or refused entrance.
I would not favor any such law, however, without a treaty with Mexico that would allow American Citizens reciprocal rights to travel and work in Mexico.
Perry’s Plan: Create a new legally protected victim class.
Illegals would actually become more free than legal citizens to come and go.
We would still have the same illegals (and many more) walking amongst us, and getting taxpayer paid handouts and benefits, but they would be on a federal data base.
That way the federal government would know who to protect from bitter, irate taxpayers who might be clinging to the US Constitution.
Knowing who the illegals are doesn’t advance the enforcement of immigration laws when we have local, state and federal officials who refuse to keep their oaths to enforce constitutional laws.
We now have criminal illegals on various government data bases and what do government officials do with the information?
When illegals are caught many are released and told to come back to court or to leave the country. Then they just disappear somewhere back into America.
The problem is not the fact our government doesn’t have enough information.
The problem is that our government is corrupt to some degree at every level.
He wants them OUT in the open. Many will return home when the laws are enforced. Many will have to get in line. But we'll know who they are.
Great question and Perry made clear what his positions are. Thanks for the posting of FACTS.
GREAT LINK
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