Cold Fusion as a technology

Telopolis ^ | November 3 2011 | Haiko Lietz

[Kevmo]

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/35/35803/1.html

------------------------------------------------ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2800077/posts

Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .

[Kevmo]

The Cold Fusion Ping List

Busy ping list lately, as expected

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/35/35803/1.html

[Gideon7]

but still no international patent

There is no such thing as an 'international patent'.

The PCT is only a streamlined process for submitting the paperwork. Each country accepts or rejects individually.

[Gideon7]

The Italian patent claims an application of a “a method and apparatus for carrying out nickel and hydrogen exothermal reactions.”

Nickel hydrogenation is the basis of the NiMH battery. The technology has been around for decades.

[Kevmo]

The technology has been around for decades.
***Cool. If this whole thing turns out to be a chemical reaction, all the better. No NRC oversight.

[Moonman62]

I believe it, but I must also admit that there could be a gigantic and expensive hoax. I admit that this is a tiny chance. There is no independent evidence that the document is genuine .

My only objection is the use of the word tiny.

[Kevmo]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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[Right Wing Assault]

Ever since the Internet was tracked as a potential breakthrough in energy production moves in circles.

Say what?

[aruanan]

If it is a scam, it will probably be Rossi's last.

Notice the bias. There never was a first.

[Liberty1970]

Is LiveScience a mainstream science website? I just picked up on what may be a significant breakthrough article at their site, linked at RealClearPolitics of all places:

http://www.livescience.com/16864-italian-cold-fusion-machine-passes-test.html

It's surprisingly positive, if LiveScience is a mainstream site. Check it out.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Batteries aren’t a source of energy.

[NewinTexsas]

"If it is a scam, it will probably be Rossi's last."

Notice the bias. There never was a first.

Rossi has been convicted twice for fraud. Additional he says he has an engineering degree. FRAUD! It turns out that his 'engineering degree' was given sold to him by an institution that was shutdown for awarding fake degrees.

[NewinTexsas]

Why do you keep linking us back to this post?

To: Kevmo
Knock off the personal attacks and seagull nonsense.

54 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 6:38:43 PM by Admin Moderator

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=54#54

[NewinTexsas]

Check it out.

I did. They also carry this story ...

Eat the Old: Could Mass Cannibalism Solve a Future Food Shortage?

[Liberty1970]

Personally my favorite was "Shake, Shake, Shake: Dinosaur Flirting Technique Revealed." But taking a little time to peruse their homepage, there doesn't seem to be any systemic bias in their choice of news stories. A (very) brief Wikipedia entry on them simply describes it as a conduit for articles from various MSM type sources.

So it looks like what passes for science in the popular mind these days, but I would agree it has a low bar for entry if you have something enticing to report.

[Liberty1970]

It would be helpful if you could link to or provide specific information regarding the comment that he has been twice convicted of fraud. I know he was in all kind of legal trouble following the collapse of Petroldragon. But his defenders say this was due either to mafioso retaliation or the government abruptly changing regulations on him such that his operations became unprofitable and saddled with 'hazardous waste' that had been redesignated as such.

If this is basically the case and he was earnest about trying to run a successful business creating biodiesel, then I don't see how he can be fairly described as committing 'fraud.' So I would like to hear your explanation or a reference explaining this claim. The fact that investors lost money, etc., does not itself justify a fraud charge unless someone can show that Rossi _intended_ to take their money without recompense or any chance for the business to succeed.

I find it interesting, for example, that there has been little out of Italy itself attacking his past during the ECAT saga. Instead it's been critics further afield. Shouldn't Italians themselves who were burned by him be the first to denounce him? Or am I missing some major criticisms/warnings coming from Italian media that you could point out to me?

[NewinTexsas]

I find it interesting that almost no one writes about the ‘balance bracelet’ fraud. Not to mention the homeopathic medicine fraud supported by Kevmo and Dr. Josephson.

[NewinTexsas]

then all bets are off

Does this refer to your INTRADE shares?

[NewinTexsas]

The fact that investors lost money, etc.,

So who would put their money into the hands of a proven loser surrounded with allegations and convictions for fraue?

[CodeToad]

“I find it interesting that almost no one writes about the ‘balance bracelet’ fraud. Not to mention the homeopathic medicine fraud supported by Kevmo and Dr. Josephson.”

Please, do tell.