Posted on 11/03/2011 9:12:22 PM PDT by presidio9
Get over it!
Newt will handle Cain with kid gloves in their debate...he could make him look like a fool but won't, IMO.
Sorry to break the news to you, but he's going to have to do a wee bit better than just hanging on to his supporters. And judging by the responses of some of the people on this thread who have already dumped him, that is no longer a realistic prediction anyway.
I’ve been humoring you, because you are arguing against an obvious truth (race certainly still plays a role in national elections), but I have been going out of my way to be good natured about it. If you think I’m being rude to you, then you ain’t seen nothing.
So, no, I’m not all that interested in factors that play a role in your personal decision making processes, and no one else is either. I’m amazed that this is news to you, but so be it.
And, no, you don’t get to initiate posting to me (in a hostile manner, I might add), and then request that I stop replying when your feelings get hurt.
You're not "breaking" anything to me. Maybe you should change your name to presumio9.
That's the math of it."
To that, you say:
I’m going to vote for Herman Cain and no one else. It’s pretty damn easy to understand.
I guess math isn't your strong suit?
There will be no Cain implosion. His supporters will stick with him no matter what.
Three posibilities here:
1) You don't understand how elections work.
2) English is not your first language.
3) You need a basic math refresher course.
I'll try this again with small words: Herman Cain needs more than his supporters to win the nomination.
Is tonight annoy Huck night? I didn’t ask for pedestrian advice from you, and I don’t need it. Piss off.
I really can’t make it any simpler for you.
Figure it out if you can, don’t if you can’t, I really do not give a sh!t either way.
you’re off my radar here so i decided to take a gander
arrogant yankee...who knew right?
your usual posting style is to be a prick and usually over nothing...just your nature
duly noted
We are looking at 1980...Carter’s reelection.
The economy will be THE issue.
So...you don’t like Romney, but you like Newt? Fair enough.
However, IMO, Cain has shown strength during the last five days...five days that Politico has written, at the very least, 90 articles about an anonymous person, who has made anonymous claims about anonymous actions that he allegedly and anonymously undertook.
Politico BEGGED his accuser to come forward, and then claimed that Cain had not been forthcoming? About a settlement that he wasn’t involved in?
When one accuser’s lawyer demanded that she be released from the confidentiality clause, the NRA did so just today. She responded that she didn’t want to “relive” it, so she declined.
His polling numbers have gone up, as have his campaign contributions.
I think people are fed up with these manufactured scandals...I know I am.
Personally, I don’t think he will be ripped to shreds.
Everyone is sick of scandal and gotcha press, however, the way Cain has handled this has not impressed me, obviously it has you.
To come out attacking another republican as the source with no proof??? Then backtracking?? After a few days of fumbling around. That’s not impressing me. This guy is applying for a job with NUCLEAR consequences, and you can’t just make accusations without proof.. especially when you are arguing that you are being attacked in the same manner.
There are other things I have serious concerns about with Cain as well, but I am not trying to bash him, just not seeing him as the candidate. Time will tell what will happen, no one can see the future.
I have said what I feel, and that is there is a segment of the republican base desperate for what they view as a “true conservative”... and while everyone would like to find a Reaganesque candidate, there isn’t one in this bunch. I see a whole lot of projection going on with Cain, just like there was with Perry and Bachamn before him, projections that I just don’t see in the actual candidate, and while that worked for Barry, its not acceptable to me. We’ve had a guy with zero exeperience and he’s made a giant mess of the world in 3 short years, we can’t follow that up with another neophite just because he has an R by his name. That’s my opinion, nothing more.
Now in the macro, the Republican race is simply Romney and non Romney for the nomination, I believe that last non romney will be Gingrich, but time will certainly tell. However, that is basically the primary breakdown, short of something drastic happening.
I don’t like Romney, never have, he tried to buy the nomination last cycle and was rejected, soundly and yet here is back again. He’s not a principled conservative in the least, and while he has executive governmental experience and business experience, what he did in some instances of those tenures I have very hard objections to. However, I do know he could handle the job, I wouldn’t like everything he did, but he could handle the job, so if we wind up with him it won’t be the disaster that is the current administration, but it wouldn’t be a high point for America either.
Cain has business leadership experience, but has ZERO governmental experience... in fact in that regard, Barry has him beat, even though his tenure has been a disaster, and he spent most of it phoning it in, he has government experience. Some people believe, no experience in governmetn is a good thing, I personally do not. Governmental structure and actions are not the same as private industry, not even close. Its a wholey different world dealing with these sorts of organizations and accomplishing what you want, vs private industry, trust me.
Gingrich knows government, and history, he’s without question the smartest of the three, he’s got governmental accomplishemnts both elective and execution to stand on. Did I agree with everything he did when elected? No, I didn’t agree with everythign Reagan did either, but I know where this guy is ideologically and he’s got a track record to prove it. He knows the levers of government, he doesn’t need an advisor to tell him his options if he wants to accomplish something, he knows them... he knows historically how they have been used, and how to use them in the future. I believe him when he says he, with a republican congress, would shut down rogue courts.. something desperately needed. I believe him when he detais how he would accomplish his goals, because he’s been there and done it. I believe him when I hear him speak off the cuff, because he’s not speaking off the cuff, he’s speaking as someone who has spent years thinking about and working on the issues, not just delivering a sound bite for the evening news. I believe him when he says he wants 7 lincoln-douglass style debates with Barry, if he is the candidate, (I don’t know if Barry has the balls to accept, but I believe He will ask for them).. so that the people can actually vote on principles and ideological views instead of sound bites and gotcha quips next Novemember.
I understand you feel differently, and that’s fine that is what healthy debate is about... I will give Cain credit for accepting Gingrich’s challenge to debate him, perhaps he will impress me then, but I have a feeling that may be his waterloo.
“...while everyone would like to find a Reaganesque candidate, there isn’t one in this bunch.”
Isn’t that the truth...and sadly so. I think so many are desperate to find another Reagan...especially now.
While I don’t like the gotcha stuff that’s gone on, and think that Cain responded as best as he could against the she said/he said accusations, the developments today will destroy him, even if she is a money grubbing shyster.
The court of public opinion is all that matters.
One of the two singular things that one can say about Newt is that his laundry has been aired, and some of it was wrong, as his daughter recently wrote. The other is that he is brilliant, and he now knows where his bread is buttered.
He might just be the last man standing. I just hope he doesn’t stick his finger in the wind, again...as he has done so many times...and catch the wrong direction.
And, I hope he destroys Romney in all of the upcoming debates.
One more thing, I don’t view the last debate as a real debate. They agreed too often. As I was watching it, I saw it as one who will be on the top of the ticket, when all is said and done, and an introduction for Cain as the VP.
Hopefully, by this time next year, Cain will be back in good stead.
Maybe he will, and maybe not, but I hope so.
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