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Italian cold fusion machine passes another test
MSNBC ^ | 11/3/2011 | Natalie Wolchover

Posted on 11/03/2011 4:05:36 PM PDT by PapaBear3625

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To: Toddsterpatriot
Probably ~ but we have one of the FOUR FUNDAMENTAL FORCES OF THE UNIVERSE to play with ~ and you can learn just about all there is to it in an afternoon's reading.

Remarkably in our merriment at discovering how to make really big atom bombs and hydrogen bombs, and doing the STRONG NUCLEAR FORCE thing we overlooked the WEAK NUCLEAR FORCE.

BTW, irrespective of "theories" on whether or not these guys are firing a proton or neutron out of the slot it's only guaranteed to be a proton if we have STRONG NUCLEAR FORCE processes at work and sometimes you are going to get your fair share of gamma rays if you screw around with it all that much.

Otherwise, it can be something else ~ and there you have it.

The Patent Office believes "something else" to be fairy dust and unicorns ~ not that that stuff is bad ~ in this regime you must sometimes believe in them in public after all. On the other hand the PO isn't going to give you a patent on 'em.

Really, 'splaining the functions/possibilities of THE WEAK NUCLEAR FORCE in terms applicable to THE STRONG NUCLEAR FORCE may or may not be useful. It may be nothing more than flipping a switch on an up quark so that it becomes a down quark ~ or maybe something else is underway.

May be a mission yet for the now mothballed cyclotron in Chicago.

101 posted on 11/04/2011 8:26:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kevmo
The main reason to let it be a chemical reaction is to see what happened to Pons & Fleischmann when they said they thought it was a nuclear reaction. They were shouted out of town.

But your famed Nobel prize winner and homeopathic medicine expert has already declared it to be nuclear.

102 posted on 11/04/2011 8:27:18 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: PapaBear3625
The demo produced about half a MW, and the customer was reportedly sufficiently satisfied that he handed over the money.

What customer. No one has seen a customer.

103 posted on 11/04/2011 8:29:57 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: muawiyah
BTW, irrespective of "theories" on whether or not these guys are firing a proton or neutron out of the slot it's only guaranteed to be a proton if we have STRONG NUCLEAR FORCE processes at work and sometimes you are going to get your fair share of gamma rays if you screw around with it all that much.

Proton...neutron...whatever it takes.

What do hydrogen ions have to do with STRONG NUCLEAR FORCE processes? I have a bottle of vinegar, lots of protons floating around free in there. Never generated much energy for me. Do I need a gamma ray detector?

104 posted on 11/04/2011 8:35:02 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Kevmo

And that development is exactly what all our trolls here wish to prevent.


105 posted on 11/04/2011 8:48:53 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: William Tell

The burning of hydrogen produces very little energy at all. It is the least exothermic oxydation reaction known that is not endothermic.


106 posted on 11/04/2011 8:57:04 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: NewinTexsas; Kevmo

>> “Please show me the chemical reaction that would get several megawatt hours of energy from 1.5 grams of H2” <<

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Gosh daddy, that’s the whole point!

It’s not a chemical reaction.

Go back to your texas mushroom farm.


107 posted on 11/04/2011 8:59:53 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Gosh daddy, that’s the whole point! It’s not a chemical reaction. Go back to your texas mushroom farm.

I didn't call it a chemical reaction. Please take your post to Kevmo.

108 posted on 11/04/2011 9:05:53 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: editor-surveyor
It is the least exothermic oxydation reaction known that is not endothermic

Uh, if it is exothermic it can't be endothermic ...

109 posted on 11/04/2011 9:06:50 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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110 posted on 11/04/2011 9:28:11 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Kevmo

Here’s what I was referring to:

The FR Post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2800009/posts

Article linked to:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/30/noble-aspirations-are-not-enough/

Video Intereview referred to in artcile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II3NxxyxQ0I

My quick notes on the video portion concerning his experimental attempts re: F/P:

2:10
tried to reproduce the publication... have not been able to reproduce they effect they obtained
2:45
Read their patent application, their report…I tried, I have not been able to do anything anyway with that.


111 posted on 11/04/2011 9:38:18 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: NewinTexsas

Precisely, and it is close to the line that divides exothermic and endothermic.

You might be starting to get it.


112 posted on 11/04/2011 9:41:16 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor
And that development is exactly what all our trolls here wish to prevent.

Absolutely. We knew the answers to all our energy needs 4000 years ago. No sense developing new-fangled devices that will shorten our lives with their deadly emanations ...

113 posted on 11/04/2011 10:07:17 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: GregoryFul

“Unlimited energy can mean unlimited global warming...”

IMHO..the elite have been anticipating this development....


114 posted on 11/04/2011 10:10:55 AM PDT by mo
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To: PapaBear3625

Chilly this morning in Seattle.

Does Costco sell a cold fusion space heater?


115 posted on 11/04/2011 10:15:45 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: editor-surveyor
I believe “oxydation” is spelled “oxidation.”

Of course, many people claim I'm an “oxymoron.”

116 posted on 11/04/2011 10:26:19 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: editor-surveyor
editor-surveyor said: "The burning of hydrogen produces very little energy at all. It is the least exothermic oxydation reaction known that is not endothermic."

That's not how I read the numbers.

The heat of formation of water is about 242 kJ/mol and that of CO2 is about 394 kJ/mol.

The heat of formation of water is nowhere near endothermic.

Lastly, since the atomic weight of hydrogen is only one twelfth of that of carbon, the energy contribution per kilogram of hydrogen is about seven times as much as the energy per kilogram of carbon. Assuming one is burning natural gas (methane), CH4, then the hydrogen would be making a greater contribution to the energy released than the carbon.

I don't see how these numbers are consistent with "the burning of hydrogen produces very little energy at all". Burning longer hydrocarbon chains will shift the energy contribution of the hydrogen toward the ratio 242/(242+394) or about 40%.

117 posted on 11/04/2011 11:03:30 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: editor-surveyor
The burning of hydrogen produces very little energy at all. It is the least exothermic oxydation reaction known that is not endothermic.

I guess that's why they use liquid hydrogen in rocket boosters. On a per-weight basis, hydrogen has over three times the energy density of gasoline.

118 posted on 11/04/2011 11:12:42 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Well, it is either an elaborate and convincing hoax or there is something to it.


119 posted on 11/04/2011 12:11:17 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: PapaBear3625

And if there is something to it, then our energy problems are solved until we run out of nickel.


120 posted on 11/04/2011 12:12:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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