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Iowans oddly unmoved by vague, 12-year-old allegations about Cain (unimpressed with Politico)
Hotair ^ | 11/01/2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 11/01/2011 9:37:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

For Herman Cain to win the Republican nomination, he has to win Iowa. A loss there would almost certainly drain his campaign of credibility and donors before he could make it to South Carolina, especially if Mitt Romney ends up the winner in January 3rd’s caucuses. So how are Iowa caucus goers reacting to the Politico story containing vague allegations of misconduct from more than a dozen years ago? The Des Moines Register reports that they’re less than impressed … with Politico:

Iowa conservatives appear unready to jump off the Herman Cain train — unless damning evidence emerges that proves the presidential candidate was less than truthful Monday when he denied allegations of sexual harassment.

The Des Moines Register spoke by phone with more than 20 likely Republican caucusgoers who participated in the Oct. 23-26 Iowa Poll, and none said the allegations had moved them to reject Cain as a potential pick. …

Poll respondent Rick Hall, a Des Moines accountant, said, “Unless it rolls into something undeniably very bad at his core, it will have no effect on my feeling about Mr. Cain as far as a viable candidate. It happened far enough ago, I’m not surprised that this thing wouldn’t follow many highly placed corporate officers.”

Iowa conservative leaders, too, were willing Monday to give Cain the benefit of the doubt.

“He has to lay all his cards on the table now and tell all truthfully,” said Steve Scheffler, a West Des Moines Republican and president of the Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition. “If there is nothing there, he will be fine with conservatives. If there is more, then there could be some real challenges for him.”

How did people around the nation react to the Politico story? Well, the dollars tell the story:

Yesterday was Herman Cain’s biggest campaign fundraising day, the candidate told Laura Ingraham this morning on her radio show. …

About the fundraising news, Ingraham said: “What does that tell you? Don’t let the media set the message for you. He didn’t cancel anything on his schedule. He’s not a hermit. He’s not hiding behind some wall of privacy.” Clearly, she said, “People want a fighter. They see right through the media haze.”

Iowans are not abandoning Cain, and donors increased their support. If that seems strange after such an explosive allegation, perhaps the assessment of ProPublica — an independent journalistic watchdog — might explain the dynamic:

It is clear from the story that Politico posted Sunday evening that reporters had made extensive efforts to figure out what happened. But much of what appeared came from anonymous sources whose knowledge appeared to be second-hand or unspecific.

Politico described the incidents involved “conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature” that took place at conferences or other restaurant association events. One exchange, an unnamed source said, involved an invitation by Cain to an employee to meet him in his hotel suite at an event. There were also “physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.’’

Obviously, this description leaves open a myriad of possibilities, from the boorish to the legally actionable. Certainly, it prompts readers to scratch their heads as they try to remember what in the late 1990s constituted a physical gesture that was not overtly sexual but discomfiting. (I checked. The Macarena came out in the mid-1990s.) Suggestions from a boss to “meet in my suite” are equally ambiguous. Did Cain have a sheaf of strategy papers on the desk or a CD player with a Michael Bolton track cued up?

Therein is the problem with this story. If the facts as published were part of a memo to Politico’s editors, they would amount to a first-rate tip on a story. …

Were the settlements $99,999 each (to borrow some of Cain’s favorite numbers)? Or a buck more than $9,999?

The former would suggest, but not prove, that something seriously untoward had occurred. The latter would sound like what lawyers term nuisance settlements – the money corporations routinely shell out to make frivolous claims go away.

Over at CNBC, count Larry Kudlow as equally unimpressed:

“There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.”

What does this mean?

The gestures weren’t overtly sexual, but the women were uncomfortable and believed the gestures were improper in a professional relationship. These are all second-hand testimonies from “close associates” of the female accusers, but I don’t know what standards are being talked about.

I mean, based on this sort of thing, anybody could think anything about almost anything. I’m not blasting the Politico people per se. I just don’t understand the meaning of what they’re reporting.

What appears evident at this point is that Politico might have had a seed of a legitimate story, but only if they were able to get first-hand accounts with the necessary detail to show that Cain was actually guilty of misconduct. They didn’t the first-hand accounts nor the details, not from Cain and not from the women involved. Instead, they ran with the vague, second-hand related accounts from more than a decade gone by. So far, that’s not impressing too many people, not Iowans, not Republicans, and not too many journalists, either.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: cain; elections; hermancain; iowa; politico; sexualharrassment; votecain
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To: SeekAndFind
For Herman Cain to win the Republican nomination, he has to win Iowa. A loss there would almost certainly drain his campaign of credibility and donors before he could make it to South Carolina, especially if Mitt Romney ends up the winner in January 3rd’s caucuses

I am getting to where this hyperbole from Ed is wearing thin.

Why does Herman Cain "have to win Iowa in order to win the Republican nomiantion"? Says who? How does history even begin to support this preposterous conclusion?

Check out even the wiki entry on the Iowa caucuses and their relationship to nominees as well as general election winners.

81 posted on 11/01/2011 12:30:48 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: bigbob; All
Normal people are fed up with this crap, and understand the difference between actual proven misconduct and vague allegations that been investigated and dismissed.

Here's an excellent article on your precise point:

A media storm has broken out over allegations made by the inside-the-Beltway publication Politico that two women in the employ of the National Restaurant Association were made to feel angry or uncomfortable by sexually suggestive remarks or gestures made by Herman Cain when he headed that association a dozen years ago.

I have no idea whether Herman Cain ever made two of his employees feel uncomfortable, nor do any of the rest of us. I also can’t predict whether voters will conclude that such insensitive behavior, if substantiated, renders Cain unfit to be president, particularly given the comportment of other celebrated Oval Office occupants. But I do know what it is like terminating employees in the over-regulated and hyper-litigious environment created by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and the tort bar that works so diligently to expand the scope of employment law. I am also very familiar with the steps companies often take to avoid the expense of fighting false accusations.

The author goes into detail, from personal experience, as to how these terminations are made and what the "pay-out" really means.

82 posted on 11/01/2011 12:36:46 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Pompah
I should know this, But who the Hell is Politico.??

Politico was founded in 2007 in advance of the Obama election by former Washington Post political reporters Jim VandeHei and John F. Harris.

At the time, they positioned Politico as "non-partisan," but I think most people knew that they were just laying down a deep cover for future reporting.

-PJ

83 posted on 11/01/2011 12:38:48 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: fuzzylogic

I took the “oddly” as sarcasm. Funny, too!


84 posted on 11/01/2011 12:38:54 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: mmichaels1970

Except this media venue is supposed to be on the conservative side!


85 posted on 11/01/2011 12:40:57 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: justsaynomore

“I think some people cannot get past the idea that a candidate has to have a quality of elite, actor-like perfection. They are not looking for someone who is not afraid to roll up his sleeves, get down to the nitty-gritty problem solver. Cain is a proven problem solver.”

AMEN!


86 posted on 11/01/2011 12:43:10 PM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (How long till my Arkansas drawl fades into the twang of southeast Ohio?)
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To: ozarkgirl

I took his “didn’t happen” comment as sexual harassment didn’t happen and it didn’t.

He hasn’t completely caught on yet to how the media is going to “report” on what he says.


87 posted on 11/01/2011 12:43:38 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What have been the Sexual Harassment charges filed against the officers and ordinary employees of Politico?


88 posted on 11/01/2011 1:30:17 PM PDT by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: Vigilanteman
No, he doesn't. Iowa is a pissant state with an even more inflated self-importance than New Hampshire.

I respectfully disagree. No state is as smarmy and self-important as New Hampshire IMHO. One of the things I can't stand during primary season is watching Carl Cameron walking down the streets of NH talking about how great and important NH is.

Blue state's should vote last in the GOP primary.
89 posted on 11/01/2011 1:57:26 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: SeekAndFind
If politico spoke to those who were part of the settlement and they divulged information could they not be charged with breach of contract if there was a non disclosure clause in the settlement?
90 posted on 11/01/2011 2:04:27 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: LS
thrashing people like Steele and Santorum for their sanctimonious comments.

I haven't seen their "comments" but 'sanctimonious' is exactly what I would expect from these pinheads.

91 posted on 11/01/2011 7:20:37 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: mmichaels1970
Yeah, you can file this drivel in the same file where you stow the crap about Gingrich having "too much baggage."
92 posted on 11/01/2011 7:44:38 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: mmichaels1970
Blue state's should vote last in the GOP primary.

I can agree with you there or, as a compromise, severely reduce their delegate count.

For the sake of compromise, can we agree than Iowa and New Hampshire are both pissant states with vastly inflated senses of self-importance?

93 posted on 11/02/2011 8:02:50 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: El Cid

The weird part of it is that apparently, there was something that happened that wasn’t overtly sexual in nature, wasn’t physical contact and just made the woman “uncomfortable” and she filed a harassment assignment right after her performance review came in as sub-standard.

But, this is such substantial that my cousin heard from his third grade teacher’s friend who heard from his brother that his sister’s best friend’s niece told her that she filed a harassment suit against Herman Cain and it turned out fine for her because instead of taking it to court, where she might have won 6 or 7 figures from a sympathetic jury when she turned on the water works, she got 35k to go away and keep her mouth shut.

Amazing what they want to call “news” these days.


94 posted on 11/02/2011 8:30:48 AM PDT by spacewarp (Cain/Rubio 2012..... Change we can actually believe in. Change we need.)
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To: Vigilanteman
For the sake of compromise, can we agree than Iowa and New Hampshire are both pissant states with vastly inflated senses of self-importance?

I suppose so. :)
95 posted on 11/03/2011 7:32:45 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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