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To: Eleutheria5
You're disrespecting us when you play down our help. That 3 billion isn't even close to being all we give. There are Israeli officials who said bombing Iran could lead to a war they couldn't win. I'm sure we won't have money, tech, and weapons involved in the Conflict, if it happens. Israel was pushing for the U.S. to attack the sites to begin with. With no U.S. supplies, weapons, or support whatsoever would be the end of Israel. You would get attacked on several fronts once we're out of the picture completely.

I find it annoying that many Americans seem to either hate Israel, or have a weird love for it like it's the most superior nation on earth while running the U.S. into the ground, even before Obama was elected. I either see Ron Paul's guys attacking it for causing all problems, or others saying things like Israel is a great utopia. Anyone have normal feeling like with our other allies, or is it required to have raging hatred for Israel, or you worship it like it's literally Jesus Christ.

32 posted on 10/30/2011 11:26:33 AM PDT by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Support Herman Cain in the Republican Primary! Donate and Campaign for Herman Cain!)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

In 1967, the US was providing spare parts to Jordan’s air force. Israel was getting spare parts and planes from France, and in partnership with it in developing the Mirage. We were attacked on all fronts, as we were in 1948, both without substantial help from the US, the latter with an actual arms blockade in place. In 1956, the US openly opposed the Sinai campaign, and our allies at that time were France and the UK. It was not until 1973 that the US weighed in heavily on Israel’s side, and you were a lifesaver at that time. But without US support, we’ve held our own and then some in the past, repeatedly attacked from all fronts.

That is not to disrespect US friendship and support. But at present, we have to take a serious look at the possibility of that help and support being withheld or lent to Egypt instead. The bottom line, is we have done it before. We can do it again, and we have natural allies in regional minorities, especially India and eastern Christian countries and communities, and a trump card to play with the Kurds (in the game of divide and stave off annihilation).

The three billion, as I’ve said, ought to be discontinued yesterday. It has too many strings attached to be of real use to us, and face it, the US is an a fiscal balagan (mess), thanks to Obamania.

On this side of the ponds, too many people are convinced that the US is absolutely indispensable. I believe the US is not a country to disregard lightly, but it’s also a mistake to become overly dependent on it.

Throughout our history, that has always cost us. To defeat the Greeks, the Hasmonaeans turned to the Romans for help. Then the Romans became so overbearing that they became our oppressors, so Bar Kochba turned to the Parthans (now Iran). The Parthans let Bar Kochba down, and he was defeated, leading to 1800 years of exile. Then when the Jewish yishuv, which had grown slowly from 1516 (start of Ottoman hegemony) until 1915, was threatened with mass expulsion, we turned to the British. When the British became our oppressors, the Irgun and other resistance groups revolted and gained independence with no major foreign help.

American patronage is a blessing, but it has its drawbacks. Our independence is more important, imho, but to have such a powerful ally is not inimical to independence, so long as it’s understood that we are no vassal state or colony. Powerful empires sometimes have a problem with that. Obama’s administration has a very big problem with that.

Throughout the world, people frequently see us with either pathological antipathy, or irrationally intense admiration. That’s to be expected. We are allegedly The Chosen People. This is allegedly The Promised Land. For the first time since General Severus exiled our forefathers, we’re home and claiming our inheritance, as is prophesied in the Bible (and also predicted in the Koran). That either is an event the world has been waiting for, or an open contradiction to your world view, depending on your background. Ron Paul is of the pathological hatred group. OK. I’m glad you’re not of the other camp. They can be hard to talk to.


33 posted on 10/30/2011 2:30:42 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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