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To: Leaning Right

Rove is basically right. Ideology aside, few have demonstrated the staying power, consistent support, field organization, discipline, focus, and endorsements as Romney. Perry is Romney’s only real peer on the stage. The others are just competing for airtime and attention. Does anyone seriously believe that Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, or Michelle Bachmann or Rick Santorum has a plausible chance? Of course not. And Cain won’t last too long under scrutiny as he is the least tested and there are some obvious flaws with 999.

And the Tea Party has been ALL OVER THE MAP. First Palin supporters, when she didn’t get in, they went to Bachmann. Then the very day Perry announced, they dropped Bachmann and went over to him, and then after a few subpar debate performances and mulligans, they are now flocking to Cain. Romney will win simply by divide and conquer and that the Tea Party has been all over the map.


11 posted on 10/28/2011 1:02:54 PM PDT by Gen. Burkhalter
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To: Gen. Burkhalter

You are right.


20 posted on 10/28/2011 1:17:18 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Gen. Burkhalter
Rove is basically right. Ideology aside, few have demonstrated the staying power, consistent support, field organization, discipline, focus, and endorsements as Romney.


It is amazing how so many dismiss the power of the Tea Party. Many do so, hoping it will disappear. I do not think many understand how huge, powerful, and energized it really is. The shuffle of support you observed between candidates was the Tea Party wanting to make sure it had made the right choice this time around. Now that the Tea Party is settling in on Cain, nothing is going to stop them. Just watch this one unfold. It will make fools out of a lot of pundits, RHINOs, and Rove types, and the MSM and FOX News.
24 posted on 10/28/2011 1:28:34 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: Gen. Burkhalter

Rove hates conservatives, hates the tea party and is interested in only one thing. Promoting RINOS and holding on to power regardless of where his RINO of the day stands.

NO ROMNEY ON FR!! PERIOD!!

Promote RINO Romney on FR you get the boot!!

FUMR!! FUKR!!


27 posted on 10/28/2011 1:38:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Gen. Burkhalter

TEA party hater zot.


30 posted on 10/28/2011 1:39:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Gen. Burkhalter
I seriously believe that Newt Gingrich has a plausible chance. He is certainly Romney's peer on that stage.

I don't think it makes any sense to put ideology aside, that is half the equation, the other half being electability. With every poll that emerges showing Obama vulnerable, the electability quotient becomes less important relative to ideology. I submit that Gingrich's ideology, while not perfect, is far more reliable than Romney's.

I agree with you that Herman Cain will probably fade but we have to wait for the evidence of that, meanwhile, it is merely a subjective hunch that you and I share. If he does fade, Gingrich emerges as the only tenable alternative to the Rino.

"... The staying power, consistent support, field organization, discipline, focus, and endorsements" which you cite as attributes of Romney can be seen as weaknesses. Staying power is not of much use after five years with no forward progress. Rather than strength, it and the other attributes betray a limiting weakness. Rather than Romney being consistent it is the three quarters of the Republican Party in stubborn opposition to him which is consistent.

I'm afraid we're going to have to let the drama play out and, whether we like it or not, Karl Rove, as you point out, will play his part.


32 posted on 10/28/2011 1:40:35 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Gen. Burkhalter

You gotta be kidding.

Romney is the candidate the Dems WANT. Romneycare will DESTROY any chances of him criticizing Obama. His Mormon Background will lose the GOP valuable votes in the Bible Belt. He’s anti-Second Amendment and is a poster boy for crony capitalism.

If Romney is nominated, it will be McCain all over again.

You HAVE to be kidding about Perry. While he is right about many issues, he couldn’t debate his way out of a wet paper bag. Obama would cut him to pieces WITHOUT a teleprompter. Besides, polls show even TEXANS opposed his policy toward illegals and he has connections with the Islamic Community.

That leaves Gingrich, Cain, Santorum or Bachmann as the only real conservatives running and the only one with traction is Cain right now.

The Tea Perty has not been all over the map philosophically. Romney has. They want a conservative condidate who can beat Romney FIRST, and THEN Obama.

If the GOP wants to repeat the mistakes of 2008, they will go with Romney and make the Democrats and mainstream media VERY VERY happy (There is a REASON they have been targetting the other candidates and giving Romney the same free ride they gave McCain - until the campaign against Obama.)


36 posted on 10/28/2011 1:42:13 PM PDT by ZULU (ANYBODY BUT ROMNEY)
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To: Gen. Burkhalter; onyx; rintense; Norm Lenhart; Windflier
First Palin supporters, when she didn’t get in, they went to Bachmann. Then the very day Perry announced, they dropped Bachmann and went over to him, and then after a few subpar debate performances and mulligans, they are now flocking to Cain.

Your analysis is just plain wrong. Most Palin supporters (not all) waited until she said she was not going to run. Few (if any) had gone to Bachmann, almost none had gone to Perry, frankly most of us don't like him as an alternative. Now that the looking around is complete, most of us have gone to Cain, and that's one of several reasons he is doing so well. It's his to win or lose right now, he has to continue to convince us he deserves our support

Fwiw, it's been fairly deliberate, not as you described it.

38 posted on 10/28/2011 1:53:21 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Gen. Burkhalter; Dr. Sivana; Allegra; lormand; fieldmarshaldj; Fiji Hill; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
General Burkhalter:

Rove is a bought and paid for consultant with a portable mattress, a portable red light, and a sack of quarters to make change.

If the GOP cannot do better than another big business whore like Romney, it will deservedly lose in 2012.

But, hey, don't listen to me. Listen to Slick Willard Romney himself and his campaign staff.

First, access on Youtube the video: What Romney Does Not Want Republicans to Hear. About 5 1/2 minutes of film from Romney's pro-abortion, pro-perversion, anti-gun, anti-Reagan past and left of Ted Kennedy past.

Second, Romney's people have a website up called whyromney.com on nearly 20 issues where he has been an enemy of our movement and our country. If you access the site, be sure to bring your barf bag. You will need it if you are conservative as that site rolls out one inane and self-serving excuse after another from the second generation Brainwashed candidate as to is manifest failures on every issue that conservatives care about.

Also note as you read how Mittens is preserving his ability to move sharply leftward once nominated. If he wins, we don't win. Beating Obozo is fine but it is NOT ENOUGH.

Romney can NOT be trusted on babies, guns, marriage, SCOTUS and other federal judge appointments, mythical "man-made" global warming fantasies, cap and trade, federal funding of baby-killing, exporting private sector American jobs, knuckling under to globaloney trade regulations, disarmament schemes, or to keep taxpayers' cash out of the ever ravenous maw of his privileged buddies or on most other important issues.

It is long past time that the conservative candidates on stage (everyone but Romney and Huntsman) decapitated this worthless jackass in GOP drag and let the party move on. Even Ron Paul can participate on issues like economy abuse by the Federal Reserve and Paul can thereby begin to look somewhat vaguely conservative and get some street cred that he presently lacks.

BTW, it is Mittens' hereditary elitism and liberalism that are the problem and not his membership in the Mormon Church. Would you like, however, to imagine what the Carville, Clinton, Begala types in the Demonrat Party will say and do in bashing Mormonism to destroy any credible threat by Slick Willard to Obozo? Their attacks would be shameful and effectively unAmerican and decidedly unfair, but what else is new?

Be honest and concede that what Slick Willard has demonstrated is basically the ability get and hold support from about 25% of self-described (and apparently gullible) GOP voters and the ability to pile up cash from the usual gang of big money social revolutionary materialist mania pigs who want back at the trough under yet another "moderate" GOP windtunnel for more rounds of bailouts on autospend. The lame stream media lusts for Slick Willard to be nominated because he poses no threat whatsoever to Obozo's program and supports most of it and because he is the real father of ObozoCare. His mere nomination would permanently destroy the GOP even if he loses and especially if he wins.

48 posted on 10/28/2011 2:23:20 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: Gen. Burkhalter

Was George W. Bush acceptable?


67 posted on 10/29/2011 1:23:56 PM PDT by Politics4US
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