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To: Tublecane
This is one of my favorite, and one of the weakest, of birther talking points. But fine, I’ll admit I overspoke by saying it was “invented” to denigrate Obama.

Wow, I'm impressed. You actually admitted you made a mistake.

But suffice to say it is a concept in the extremest of minorities, totally obscure to the general run of mankind, and almost nobody on FR would care about it if Obama weren’t president.

You are probably right that few would care. But, as I said, the issue predates Obama.

I can’t be absolutely sure no birther on these threads ever thought about the (fictitious) distinction before 2008 (or ‘04, since Obama was hyped for a full term before his anointment), but I doubt it.

You would be wrong. I remember the question being posed about John McCain the first time he ran for President, in 2000. But, that would be before your time on FR.

According to one of the contemporary sources for legal terms in the Constitution, born outside the country to US citizens "in the service of the country" is considered an addition to the classification of "natural born". But, I'm not aware of any legal precedent in the US for that.

77 posted on 10/27/2011 11:19:34 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: justlurking
I remember a teacher talking to our history class about this issue in 1970. She spoke of NBC as having Citizen Parents.

She told us that it is popularly believed that anyone born in the USA can be president, but, she said that has yet to be proved because it was always believed that Citizen parents were required before the 14th amendment, and every president has had citizen parents in the past.

I remember this like it was yesterday. 40 plus years ago in a New Jersey public school, and the teacher was Miss Nauta.

85 posted on 10/27/2011 1:12:35 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: justlurking

“Wow, I’m impressed. You actually admitted you made a mistake.”

You are a jerk.


96 posted on 10/27/2011 2:54:27 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: justlurking

“You would be wrong. I remember the question being posed about John McCain the first time he ran for President, in 2000. But, that would be before your time on FR.”

That would have nothing to do with the distinction, if any, between native and natural born citizens, of which I was speaking. McCain was born outside of the U.S. to two citizen parents, a whole other issue.


97 posted on 10/27/2011 2:58:13 PM PDT by Tublecane
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