Posted on 10/22/2011 7:31:30 PM PDT by ventanax5
Remember a peculiar fact: even though Gaddafi was generally a horribly repressive anti-American dictator, in his final years he tried making a deal with the Americans. Gaddafi was frightened by the U.S. attack on Iraq in 2003 and didn’t want to be next on the list. So he cooperated, gave up his nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction programs, and reduced his foreign subversive efforts.
That did not save him from being overthrown by the United States, just as it did not save a genuine American ally, President Hosni Mubarak in Egypt. On this point, I’m not advocating anything about what the United States should have done in Libya but just observing how it will be received in the region.
Bashing the West in the current era brings little cost. Here’s a partial list:
Egypt: Obama courts Muslim Brotherhood and is indifferent to anti-Americanism of the newly empowered political forces
(Excerpt) Read more at pajamasmedia.com ...
Not that I can recall.
Found these videos. Both are amazing. They are presented by a person VERY UNHAPPY with Obama and his stance with Africa as well as dividing the races to his benefit.
Be patient. Resist the urge to shut it off in the first minute or so.
We'll see about that.
I was actually thinking about this while I was in the shower this morning. The cards seem to be aligning for a severe world-wide war in the near future, courtesy of yet another democrat administration.
Both Clintons are War Criminals “Kosovo and U.S. sponsored terrorists unraveling: war crimes and Hague for Clinton?”
http://moderntokyotimes.com/2011/10/15/kosovo-and-u-s-sponsored-terrorists-unraveling-war-crimes-and-hague-for-clinton/
Well put. Had Dubya just started bombing the $hit out of a country, without congressional approval first, with no “follow up plan”, then swaggered all over the place, the libs would have already impeached him. And we will NOT forget liberals saying what Obama did was just fine. It sets a very dangerous precedent that leftists don’t seem to grasp. I’m not sad about Khaddaffi being killed. I just fear the aftermath.
for later
I think Gaddafi had plenty to do himself with his downfall. His disastrous socialist policies brought many years of record unemployment and poverty. His favoritism to his tribe left large parts of the country extremely unhappy.
“I have no idea just WHAT we were trying to accomplish in Lybia”
It was all about the Ooooil, and not even for us. And no Code Pink to be found, then again Bush isn’t President.
Under Obama al-Qeada and the muslim brotherhood get The most populated muslim state, an oil rich muslim state, another crack at Iraq and this all comes with tons and tons of armaments. What could go wrong?
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It seems that Obama’s only goal is t create chaos with whatever he touches. There is barely a thing he has tampered with that has made things better.
1. He claimed he wanted to help the economy. It’s now trashed even more, not only here but around the world.
2. He claimed to want to help blacks and minorities but their employment and economic situation has greatly worsened.
3. He claimed to want to stop illegal guns from entering Mexico but in reality he and his administration facilitated it.
4. He wanted to help alternative energy companies but now they are crumbling one after another.
5. He intervenes in country after country only to leave them in worse shape that before.
6. Our enemies hate us worse that before and no longer fear us.
7. Our allies are treated like crap.
8. He has filled our government with people bent on weakening our republic.
These are but a few things. Given that record, the only conclusion is that he is purposely destroying our country with the support of large numbers of the American people.
That was the intention of the bastards that put him in office. Both the parasites that voted for him and those that sponsored[financed] him.
Appalled by Qaddafi’s Murder
DIANA writes:
I saw the grisly footage of Qaddafi’s murder on television. I had first to turn off the sound. Then, ashamed, I turned off the television. I have nothing more to say than that I am appalled that my country had anything to do with this grotesque caricature of justice. Actually, to call it a grotesque caricature of justice is to trivialize it. I have no words for it.
I’m not naive and I realize that the U.S. has taken part in assassinations, killings, etc., but there is something about this that simply takes my breath away. I want nothing to do with it. I’m in a complete state of dissociation with our political leaders, Republican and Democrat. I am thoroughly disaffected.
I’m not exactly mourning Qaddafi’s death. He was a very bad man who killed Americans. But what do you do? He seems to have reformed a bit in latter years. He stuck to his treaties and stopped baiting the U.S. He even said a few conciliatory, realistic things about Israel. I’m not saying this turned him into a Good Guy, but it showed he was sane. Now he’s gone and we’re supposed to rejoice? No thank you! Libya will turn to hell.
I do not believe I am alone in feeling so disgusted with just about everything, except my own life, which is going rather well. So I can’t be accused of generalizing my own misery. I am not miserable. Our politics is.
Laura writes:
I am appalled too. The average American seems to accept the media’s pro-democracy fairy tale. Our country took part in the assassination of someone who posed no imminent threat to us and, in doing so, aided avowed enemies. This is not a fairy tale, but a horror story.
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Alissa writes:
What goes around, comes around. This fiasco only shows how decadent the West has become. It would be one thing to arrest and kill Qaddafi during the 1970’s-1980’s but not now. For the past years Qaddafi has come around with nuclear disarmament, a weak peace resolution with Israel, weaker links to Islamic terrorists and whatnot. I’m sure the neoconservatives and the feminists are currently cheering about his brutal death. Unfortunately it’s not the Arab Spring and the fall of one man will not bring democracy. It’s the eternal Muslim civil war and one tyrant will be replaced by another. One reaps what one sows.
This is not a fairy tale, but a horror story.
Speaking of horror stories the amount of horror films released per year has increased considerably compared to the past decades. One theory speculates that this is due to family breakdown and the expansion of horror experienced in people’s daily lives.
Lawrence Auster writes:
Commenter Diana is a kindred spirit. I share her feeling that “I’m in a complete state of dissociation with our political leaders, Republican and Democrat [over the death of Kaddafi]. I am thoroughly disaffected.”
However, I have a question for Diana and for Laura: is your disgust directed only at the killing of Kaddafi, or at the entire U.S./NATO intervention in Libya of which is killing was the end result?
My point is that it makes little sense to decry the killing, but not the NATO military intervention that led to the killing. The aim of the intervention was the overthrow of Kaddafi. If he was overthrown, and if he didn’t flee the country, then, given the way these things tend to be done in Muslim countries, his unceremonious murder was a very strong likelihood.
In my view, therefore, if critics of what has happened in Libya want to stand on solid logical and moral ground, they need to denounce the entire intervention, not just the murder of Kaddafi which was the implied and all but inevitable consequence of the intervention.
Laura writes:
Is your disgust directed only at the killing of Kaddafi, or at the entire U.S./NATO intervention in Libya of which is killing was the end result?
No, the intervention itself was deeply wrong. I agree, it’s important to object first and foremost to this illegitimate intrusion into a sovereign nation’s affairs. I recommend the many recent entries at VFR, including this one on Michelle Bachmann’s statement against our involvement in Libya.
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