Posted on 10/17/2011 8:31:03 PM PDT by Kevmo
Over on Network World where I’ve had a gig as a columnist for about 18 years, my Backspin column I wrote this week about a power generation system called E-Cat that is to be tested on October 28th .
If you’ve missed the recent brouhaha over the E-Cat (which stands for Energy Catalyzer), you’re missing out on a three ring circus over a technology that will either change everything or change nothing because what is promised is, in theory, power too cheap to be worth metering .
(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...
Andrea Rossi’s cold fusion reactor (“E-Cat”) outputs 4 times the energy (electricity) that enters it. — [REPORT]
Posted on October 17, 2011 by Chris F. Masse
E-cat total heat output = 33.76 kWH = 121.5 MJ
Total electrical input energy = 8.97 kWH = 32.3 MJ
Ok
so some guy figured out a way to transmutate nickel into copper and heat is given off in the process.
WHY DOES ANYONE THINK THIS IS FREE ENERGY?
hello?
a nuclear reactor turns one element into another element. you still hafta build a powerplant and run high tension transmission lines all over the place. You still hafta mine fuel.
THERE’S NO INFINITE SUPPLY OF NICKEL
Yes, we can expect moonboy to post from a website that is in enmity with Rossi. Typical seagull move.
The vortex-L thread on this is instructive.
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-
[Vo]:[NET] E-Cat Test Demonstrates Energy Loss
Jed Rothwell
Fri, 07 Oct 2011 19:10:48 -0700
I wrote:
> In any case, even if 38 gigawatts had been input before the event, that
> would make no difference if all of that heat came out as soon as it went in.
>
Other people here have confused this issue. For example, Robert Leguillon
wrote:
“I take an old blacksmith’s anvil. I warm it in a kiln over two day to
roughly orange-hot (it is going to hold this heat for a LONG time,
especially if well-insulated). . . .
The energy expended in getting the anvil up to “operating temperature” would
more than balance this equation, and is necessary beyond a doubt. Think of
it as potential energy, just like a coiled spring or a raised weight.”
The second statement is correct, but as I pointed out before, the first
statement is a misunderstanding. After 10 minutes in the kiln, the anvil
reaches the highest temperature it will reach. It does not get any hotter
after that, so it does not store any more heat. You can leave it for two
days or 20 years, it will not store any more energy. The “potential energy”
is limited. To extend the analogy, once you raise the weight as high as it
can, to the top pulley, you can hold it up there for two days but you will
not add any more potential energy to the system.
In the case of the Oct. 6 Rossi demonstration, as soon as the heat out
balances the heat in (taking into account the low calorimetric recovery
rate), no more heat energy is stored in the system. As I said, whether the
heat added amounts to 33 MJ or 33 GJ makes no difference whatever; it all
comes out, except for a little added at the beginning to bring the cell up
to the terminal temperature.
You can determine how much heat a substance stores at a give temperature by
looking up the specific heat. Assuming that the thermal mass of the Rossi
cell is 30 L of water (which has by highest specific heat), then it is easy
to determine what temperature it would have to reach in order to store up 33
MJ. The temperature would rise 263 deg C, ignoring pressure and boiling.
As I mentioned, if it stored up this heat instead of dissipating it, the
cell would get hot but the cooling water loop would magically refuse to
diffuse any of this heat (since it is storing up) and the cell would appear
to remain at room temperature. If the cooling water loop warmed up and a
Delta T appeared, then it would not be storing heat. Needless to say, that’s
impossible.
- Jed
At any rate, many of these guys are freepers: Krivit, Jed Rothwell, Alan Fletcher. Maybe they’ll weigh in.
kingu is absolutely right. You, Kevmo, need to develop a sense of humour.
I am an ignorant grandma.
P.S.: Potty Mouth is a poor sales technique if you want to be taken seriously.
so some guy figured out a way to transmutate nickel into copper and heat is given off in the process.
***You accept this?
WHY DOES ANYONE THINK THIS IS FREE ENERGY? hello?
***I don’t know anyone who thinks this is free energy. Hello? Read the title of the article....
a nuclear reactor turns one element into another element. you still hafta build a powerplant and run high tension transmission lines all over the place.
***Uhh, no. The power plant would be the size of a refrigerator and would generate enough energy to run your whole house.
You still hafta mine fuel.
***True enough. But there’s enough energy in an ounce of nickel to match 50 gallons of gasoline. That’s a lot of fuel. But it ain’t free. Read the title of the article again.
P.S.: Potty Mouth is a poor sales technique
***Excuse me, but look who started in with the undisguised potty mouth first. It was not me.
My sense of humor is an acquired taste. Like good beer. Stick around, grandma, you might learn to enjoy both.
I'm impressed, an author with a background in IT even gets it.
May i ask, why don't you build one? With your smarts, knowledge of the device and connections you should be able to put one together for about $500 and a trip to Lowes. Nickel powder can be found online.
Thanks for the ping on the other thread!
May i ask, why don’t you build one?
***Startup costs for LENR are relatively cheap, about $350k or so. I’ll take a check.
The American and Italian justice systems also appear to be in enmity with Rossi, so he has good company.
The other big problem being Rossi's "character issues" that the author didn't seem to check.
Thanks for bumping the thread, Moonboy Seagull
Agree, this article puts Forbes on par with the Enquirer.
The other big problem being Rossi’s “character issues”
***Yup. Rossi has character issues.
Of course, anyone who invested with Rossi, knowing that he has had issues in the past, would be monumentally stupid. So is demonstrations to them were either completely masterful magic tricks that fool top physicists, or they are simply real. Your position requires that these real smart guys, who know physics and know how to fake an experiment, that they be real stupid. ceteris paribus, non sequitur — It does not add up.
awww, isn’t that cute? Tag team seagull trolling.
How appropriate that someone named Gibbs is writing about (nearly) free energy.
That figure makes you sound delusional. Send me a parts list... I'll do the shopping!
Paranoia is a symptom of stress... Maybe you need a chill pill?
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