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Herman Cain and the Death of the Political Pro
Pajamas Media ^ | 10/14/2011 | Roger L Simon

Posted on 10/14/2011 5:40:45 AM PDT by IbJensen

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To: sodpoodle

That depends on how you turn it. Counter-clockwise, it becomes a 6. Clockwise, it becomes a (sort of) lowercase ‘a’.


101 posted on 10/14/2011 7:18:09 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Huck
And that's where opposition to a national sales tax comes in. I don't want more people paying federal taxes. I don't want a broader tax base. I want to see the federal structure all but dismantled.

You have a point, but less spending with revenue coming from a broader base would be better for all! And I would remove this phrase "this tax plan is revenue-neutral" from any tax reform. I desire better, more efficient programs with Representatives that have a constant goal of trying to cut spending wherever they can instead of looking for the next new program.

But as much as we dislike federal structure, we absolutely do need SOME strong areas or we will cease to be a sovereign country. A severely weak federal structure would invite attacks from many enemies.
102 posted on 10/14/2011 7:19:57 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
There seems to be a proliferation of flighty cheerleader types willing to blindly jump on the latest, greatest bandwagon, but unwilling to acknowledge certain realities.

MY GUY RULEZ - YOUR GUY DROOLZ!!!!! times a bazillion

103 posted on 10/14/2011 7:21:31 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Jeff Vader
I am aware that some inept politicians got us here but not all politicians are inept. However I know for sure that a CEO of a Pizza company who has zero governing record to judge him with, has not enacted any policy to judge him with, has not voted on any policy to judge him with, and only throwing red meat bumper sticker rhetoric with a stupid 9-9-9 tax plan, is not going to get us out of this mess, not even close.

PS: Herman Cain is also a politician, but he is a failed politician as he ran for public office and lost.

104 posted on 10/14/2011 7:23:19 AM PDT by jgge
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To: jgge
On the other hand a Pizza CEO whose toughest decision is to close or open a Pizza joint or to increase or reduce the price of Pizza is not qualified to be President.

Your ignorance is showing....and let me explain why.

First, Cain was much more than Godfather's CEO...he held many other positions of leadership which qualifies him as leader of the executive branch.

But let's focus on his CEO experience.

Since you diminish his leaership at Godfather's Pizza, you clearly do not understand what a CEO actually does.

I thought only liberals believed CEOs just sit around and watch the stock price.

CEOs do much, much more than a general in the military.....and they do it with far fewer resources.

CEOs do not know how to do every job inside a company....they hire the right people for those jobs.

CEOs do not work alone. They bring in a leadership team who advises them.

CEOs set the overall strategy in conjunction with those executives.

Cain did not come up with 9-9-9 on his own, he went to economists. That is what a great leader does.

Being President is a leadership role. You want someone who knows how to put together great teams and someone who sets a clear, attainable set of goals that they will achieve.

105 posted on 10/14/2011 7:24:58 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: mosesdapoet
My have has no use for Rove goes back to his Bush daze spkeman...

I recall Rove being an adviser to Bush, but never a 'spokesman.' Bush's spokespersons were Karen Hughes, Ari Flischer, Tony Snow (God rest his soul) and that really incompetent Scott McClellan. All were pretty good other than McClellan who was in way over his head.

As to not responding to some of the mud slung by the democrats, that was Bush's style. He refused to get down in the mud. He wanted to keep it classy. I don't think it is fair to 'blame' the lack of response on anyone but Bush.

106 posted on 10/14/2011 7:29:38 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Brookhaven
Sure, they tell you how they are going to fixe everything from the economy to healthcare, but what is their real experience?

And I'll take that one step further. Bush in 2004 ran on the Ownership Society platform. He was re-elected and was deemed to have this large bucket of political capital. He went about attempting to reform SS and the REPUBLICAN CONGRESS stabbed him in the back and started the 2006 downslide.
107 posted on 10/14/2011 7:31:35 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: GBA
With Cain's plan, we're all treated like and act like adults instead of acting like college students expecting the parents to pay our bills.

I'm sorry, turning every person, including your babysitter and lemonaid stand operator into a sales tax collecting agent for the federal government is WAY too much government participation in every activity in life.

It is bad enough I need to chronicle the aggregate of each quarter year of my life to the Fe'ral Government, but Cain wants each and every financial transaction to be public record with every i and j dotted and t crossed or face the violent and punitive police powers of the ever present State.

Furthermore, are you prepared to pay an additional 9% on your next house or car? Most people have a devil of a time conjuring up the 20% to satisfy the mortgage broker - how about coming up with an additional 9% - at the time of purchase - just to satisfy the Washington Monster?

Now extrapolate this to industry. If any capital improvement has an additional 9% toll placed on it that must be paid up front, how does that work out for a billion dollar energy facility, chemical plant or semiconductor fab?

Talk about forcing the manufacturing industry out of the country by levying a pay-to-play fee of 9% of total assessed value. Then because of the flat tax, NONE of it can be deducted for depreciation which really sucks when the startup isn't destined to make any profit for the first couple of years. They still have to pay the tax despite profitability. Yet another way to crush startups and expansion in the US.

Cain would be a bulldozer smoothing out the remaining standing wreckage of an economy following the wrecking ball and ANFO used by our government to Cloward/Pivens the existing one.

We don't need an encore to this botched performance.

108 posted on 10/14/2011 7:31:41 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Seriously man, stop the joke. You are way overrating the importance of a CEO of Godfather Pizza with sales revenues around $ 300 million and as I said the toughest decision he made is to open and close a Pizza joint here or there and whether to reduce and increase the price of Pizza.

Regarding the 9-9-9 tax plan, it is a tax increase on 50% of the people, i.e. it is insanity.


109 posted on 10/14/2011 7:38:15 AM PDT by jgge
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To: jgge
Indeed, it is disgusting beyond belief. Let us hope that Republicans do not nominate Cain the TALKER or Romney the Super Liberal.

Yes, let us nominate Perry or I'm just gonna sit home!
110 posted on 10/14/2011 7:39:24 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: jgge
Regarding the 9-9-9 tax plan, it is a tax increase on 50% of the people, i.e. it is insanity.

I respectfully request that you articulate your alternative tax plan since Mr. Cain's does not meet your approval.

111 posted on 10/14/2011 7:40:24 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Brookhaven
I think the 1976 primary is a better analogy than 2008.

You may be right. That one is before my political consciousness, but I am aware of the basic history you outlined.

It would do the Tea Party a lot of good in the meantime to get some people elected Governor in some statehouses, get a track record in republican government. The Oval Office should not be an entry-level position.

112 posted on 10/14/2011 7:40:59 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: jgge
Running a Pizza company where the toughest decision is to open or close a Pizza joint and to increase or reduce the price of a Pizza is not a qualification to run the most powerful government in the history of mankind. The decisions that the President make affect the lives of all Americans and in many cases the entire world and Pizza CEO does not qualify to make these decisions the same way a community organizer showed us that he does not qualify to do this. Having a degree in Math does not qualify someone to be a President. Being a good debater does not qualify someone to be President because a President does not enact polices in 30 seconds sound bites and does not negotiate with Congress in 3 seconds zingers, Presidents do not govern by debates.

You show an incredible ignorance about what the CEO of a substantial corporation does, but put that aside. Even if people agreed with you about Cain's experience, who would we be left with? Certainly not Perry or Romney who have no experience in foreign affairs and their being governors historically is a very strong negative indication for being a good president.

The only ones left would be Gingrich or Paul. Do you really think the Republicans should endorse Paul or Gingrich?

Our Country was not set up to be "ruled" by professional politicians. Unfortunately we did not heed the warnings of our Founders and find ourselves burdened with an incredibly huge, oppressive central government. The only thing that will change it is good people from outside the corruption that is Washington, and people who have experience "turning around" failing organizations are especially valuable.

You can elect people like Jimmy Carter over and over again because of their "executive experience" but the result will be the same and it would be "insane" to do it. I'll take my chances with a smart, experienced, principled outsider like Herman Cain.

113 posted on 10/14/2011 7:48:42 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Eagle of Liberty
I'm just saying, I want to see a "bold plan" to reduce the size of government and the spending that goes with it. Not a bold plan to get more people paying more taxes, and how to bring in more revenue to the gubmint. I want them to take in LESS, not more.
114 posted on 10/14/2011 7:50:33 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
That depends on how you turn it. Counter-clockwise, it becomes a 6. Clockwise, it becomes a (sort of) lowercase ‘a’.

Um....no. Turning something upside down is called a FLIP. If you FLIP a 9, you don't get a 6. And since we're talking about Perry, what is Perry's tax plan? I ask this cause I would sincerely like to know. Fair Tax, Flat Tax, elimination of the 16th Amendment? What is it?

I do like that he is going after SS though.
115 posted on 10/14/2011 7:54:25 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: Pan_Yan

First and foremost, I do not introduce a new tax like the national sales tax. Second, 0% income tax on every dollar up to $ 50,000, 15% income tax on every dollar from $ 50,001 to $ 500,000, and 20% income tax above $ 500,001. Third, Corporate tax rates would be cut depending on the sector. Manufacturing, agriculture, high tech, retail, and healthcare sectors would pay 15% in corporate tax. Financial sector would pay 25% in corporate tax.


116 posted on 10/14/2011 7:54:33 AM PDT by jgge
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To: Brookhaven
Politicians are lousy problem solvers, they're just good at getting hired as problem solvers.

I like that. What's worse is that they not only don't solve problems they generate problems, sometimes huge ones like the sub-prime mortgage fiasco that almost destroyed our economy. The best way for a politician to solve problems is to pass bills getting the government out of peoples faces.

117 posted on 10/14/2011 8:02:26 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: The Theophilus
I thought the 999 plan is intended to replace the current system, not an addition to what we already have.

I don't see your notion that every person is a tax collection agent.

Instead, we'd all be tax payers, all paying the same rate, ending the tax discrimination we have now.

I'm not saying the 999 plan's rates are exactly what we need. I'm sure the devil in the details (as Bachmann said) would need to be worked out long before such tax reform would land on the President's desk to be signed or vetoed.

Regardless, Cain's idea is a better than what we have now and if nothing else, we're talking about tax reform instead of 'taxing the rich' like we usually do.

118 posted on 10/14/2011 8:03:15 AM PDT by GBA (The Constitution and conservatism must win in 2012!)
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To: Eagle of Liberty
Um....no. Turning something upside down is called a FLIP.

Um, no. Flipping something upside down is called a flip. Turning something upside is called "turning it upside down." Thus the act of turning affects the end result.

It's totally subjective, FRiend.

Are we talking about Perry? I thought this thread was about Herman Cain.

119 posted on 10/14/2011 8:04:14 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: jgge

So you want to keep a progressive income tax, one of the hallmarks of Marxism, a complicated corporate tax system that Congress can use to choose the winners and you want low income earners to have representation without taxation, which is what has gotten us to the miserable state we are now.

You know this is a conservative website, correct?


120 posted on 10/14/2011 8:04:32 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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