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To: Kaslin
New World Order becoming unravelled? Are you kidding? It’s just starting............... Daniel 7: 23Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings....... That word ‘subdue’ doesn’t necessarily mean by military power – it could just as readily mean that they willing invite a leader to take them over. Likewise, that word ‘kings doesn’t mean in the classical sense – it could just mean ‘power’. I have always thought that the passages that refer to rise of the antichrist indicate that this leader waltzes in on a platform of peace/prosperity and countries will willingly agree to fold themselves under his wing because he will be viewed as a brilliant leader unlike anything they have ever seen before..... and they are hoodwinked into thinking that he will take all their problems away. Bible prophecy indicates that he initially takes over three countries..... and then builds from there.
5 posted on 10/14/2011 4:55:56 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: hecticskeptic
New World Order becoming unravelled? Are you kidding? It’s just starting..

This is rich. Here Buchanan is talking about the European model of global governance failing - and somehow you feel that this petty club of socialist white guys in a declining section of Europe are somehow going to get stronger when the empirical evidence screams otherwise.

First off, the Daniel 7 reference is just a glaring indication that you know nothing of the topic and have naively drunken the swill of the modern day False Prophets. Second, there are many interesting interpretations of this passage that doesn't take the cop-out and say "I'm not going to bother trying to figure this out using history, facts and reason, I would rather come up with new unprovable and unsupportable speculations based on today's reading of some guy's political blog."

The fourth beast in question here, to the Futurists, completely ignores 7:7 "it was different from all the beasts that were before it" and claims, that like the three preceding beasts, it is yet another purely political government. Who cares what insipid speculations one has about ten horns and little horns when the Futurist can't even compose a theory that doesn't contradict the only literal description in the text!

Furthermore, you gratuitously insert "Antichrist" when it is never mentioned in Daniel or Revelation. Who gave you license to insert your own speculation into Scripture? Did you get a Revelation from God or is this like Madlibs where you can insert anything from a list of choices?

Then we have Genesis 11, which teaches that there won't be a "world government" because God declared and acted in a manner to effect a dispersion. To this day we have an effective Divine Apartheid throughout the world that is painfully manifest just by turning on the television. Just because you personally may have fallen prey to the PC-Diversity dogma, the vast majority of this world is still nationalistic, xenophobic and strongly racist, so projecting your own thoughts on to the entire planet is, shall we admit - arrogant?

If we look at the many failures of Futurists to predict the future, as if all the prophecies of the Bible remain to be fulfilled, the honest observer would have to reject any such babblings by the Futurist. The "ten horns", back in the 70s was forcefully said to be the European Common Market. We have seen how that was shot down. Gog and Magog were supposed to be the Soviet Union - even going so far as re-interpreting Ezekiel 38:2 so that "Rosh" didn't mean "chief" but meant "Russia", and all of your Futurist False Prophets failed spectacularly in missing the collapse of the Soviet Empire.

In fact, every prediction of the Futurist Cabal is always wrong, a record that is worse than that of a broken clock correctly telling the time.

They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The lunatic claims by the Futurists stubbornly follow the same grossly flawed methodology giddily expecting success, arrogantly boasting to be the last word in seer saying, tarot reading and crystal ball gazing - only to be shown, like that aging fool Harold Camping, that it was nothing but lies based on vanity.

The fourth beast is unlike the first three, not because it is the political unit Rome, but because it represents something other than brutal political government. Through the ages we can see that Catholicism, Islam, Communism and now Gaia worship are not based on a strongman dictator with an all powerful military, they were nearly globe spanning in their power and hatred against Christianity, all of these things match the description in Daniel and Revelation.

IOW, just as the Apostle John said in his letters, the spirit of Antichrist was alive and well in his day, when Daniel was to be unsealed and Revelation was left open because the Day is now (beginning first century AD).

Your formula must reject too much Scripture, and it clearly contradicts broad categories of orthodox doctrine, so no matter how much you hope and wish - it can't be true.

9 posted on 10/14/2011 6:07:56 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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