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Gaddafi loyalists hit back in Sirte with Mutassim still at large
Telegraph ^ | October 13th 2011 | Staff

Posted on 10/13/2011 11:57:04 AM PDT by Cardhu

Libya's new regime fighters retreated under heavy fire from Muammar Gaddafi loyalists in his hometown of Sirte on Thursday as their leaders backtracked on an announcement they had captured one of his sons.

The setback came as the National Transitional Council backtracked on claims it had captured Gaddafi's son Mutassim.

The advancing fighters, who had been hoping to mop up the last pockets of resistance in two residential neighbourhoods in the northwest of the city, withdrew at least a mile to the central police headquarters they had captured on Tuesday, according to reports.

"We have been told to retreat to the police HQ and will be using artillery cannon to hit Gaddafi's forces," fighter Hamid Neji of the Martys of Free Libya Brigade said on the new front line.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gadaffi; libya; nato; ntc; obama; sirte
The fighting has narrowed down to these two neighbourhoods," he had added. "We believe it will take another three days to capture them."
1 posted on 10/13/2011 11:57:09 AM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
LOL, and two cities to go. These poor ragtag fools, dying for another soon to be ruler for life. Until someone kills him.
2 posted on 10/13/2011 12:01:28 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: Cardhu
I'll bet we have more NATO bombing to protect the civilians by killing them for the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda rebels.
3 posted on 10/13/2011 12:10:18 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Cardhu; no-to-illegals; SunkenCiv; FARS; All

Here are more Libya links. The first has a video on street fighting in Sirte. I wondered about all the water in the street, but a comment said it was from a broken sewer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEI23_ULAVs

The second is a long article summarizing and analyzing the whole long struggle and the politics behind it. There are a number of interesting comments some disagreeing with the author’s assumptions.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/13/lessons-from-libya-obama-cameron-sarkozy

Given that Libya only has a 5 million population, whereas Afghanistan, Syria, and Iraq all have more than 25 million, the doability of this fight was much more feasibile. In addition, the revolt was homegrown on a large scale, unlike in Iraq. Whether this will be a key factor as Syria plays out I can’t guess. I also suspect that Russia and China may have decided to not veto the UN resolution to support Libya in exchange for no military intervention in Syria. As to the tribes, I agree that in the cities they have on the whole not been a major factor. However, the amazing surge to Tripoli from the Nafusa Berbers was very important. They were not just a tribe, but one whose entire culture and language was under attack by Gaddafi, so I suspect their motivation was an order of magnitude higher.


4 posted on 10/13/2011 12:31:39 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Water no doubt from broken storm sewer- due to NATO bombing. However, many claims being made that forces of New Libya are diverting sea water into the tunnel complex(s) under Sirte itself. Reports of water coming up/out of entrance ways and air shafts to these tunnels.


5 posted on 10/13/2011 12:38:59 PM PDT by donozark (Sam Walton:"It was paper when we started, and it's paper afterwards.")
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To: donozark; All

Ah, flooding the tunnels. That would force the Gaddafi rats to the surface wouldn’t it. Tunnels have definitely been used in the past in warfare.


6 posted on 10/13/2011 1:21:55 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Cardhu

Okay, every week we hear from NTC that Libya will be won “by the end of the week.” This week, that would be tomorrow or the next day. We shall see.


7 posted on 10/13/2011 2:11:42 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: La Enchiladita

From what I see there has to be more of them killed by “friendly” fire than snipers.


8 posted on 10/13/2011 2:20:19 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: gleeaikin; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks gleeaikin. It’s only a matter of time before Gaddafy’s overthrown and, uh, then the purges, ethnic cleansing, score-settling, and gang wars can start.


9 posted on 10/13/2011 6:46:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Cardhu; Clive
The headline is misleading.

it is not Moutassim who is at large.

At large are NATO war criminals and their AQ allies on the ground who wage war of aggression.

So far, NATO's mass murder of civilians by aerial bombing can be compared to Hitler's bombing of Rotterdam, Coventry and London blitz.


10 posted on 10/13/2011 7:21:57 PM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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To: La Enchiladita

Yes, one week follows another, and always with that same claim.

Another familiar claim is that they have captured some key figure, and then it turns out to be false.


11 posted on 10/15/2011 4:35:19 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil; SunkenCiv
Yes, how long will the NTC/AQ forces be playing "whack-a-mole" against Qaddafi's loyalists, who popped up again in Tripoli yesterday?

Loyalists battle in Tripoli

The Libyan capital saw its first major gunbattle since Muammar Gaddafi fled Tripoli more than two months ago, as his supporters traded fire with revolutionary forces after a crowd raised the ousted regime's green flag.

...The violence in Tripoli and fierce resistance on two other fronts set back the new rulers' stated goals of declaring total victory and establishing democracy as Gaddafi, the ruler for nearly 42 years, remains on the run.

I have to admit, it's pretty darn funny.

12 posted on 10/15/2011 12:06:41 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: La Enchiladita
>>>>>I have to admit, it's pretty darn funny. <<<<<

Yes, except for the mass murder of civilians done daily by Al Qaida Airforce - USAF, RAF, and French AF.

NATO has a choice - to send ground troops (and body bags) or give up. Their AQ scum will be eradicated.

A major setback for CIA, green flag is flying even in Dernah, AQ heartland.

13 posted on 10/15/2011 6:54:14 PM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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To: La Enchiladita; no-to-illegals; SunkenCiv; FARS; All

Establishing the government in Tripoli has good days and bad days, but at least they are trying.

http://news.yahoo.com/libyans-bulldoze-gadhafis-tripoli-compound-191327562.html


14 posted on 10/16/2011 10:32:43 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks gleeaikin.


15 posted on 10/17/2011 1:20:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: gleeaikin
Saying prayers that the new government will not go seeking enemies amongst themselves or other nations.
16 posted on 10/17/2011 5:08:46 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen. --> AmeriCain)
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To: no-to-illegals; SunkenCiv; FARS; All

More on establishing a new society in Libya. Report on reopening schools. I think the photo shows a good mix of both boys and girls in the classroom. Lack of Islamic sex separation a good sign?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/kidspost/what-schools-will-teach-in-a-new-libya/2011/10/05/gIQANVzJrL_story.html

Futher reports on the struggle at Bani Wallid. Slow progress, but good news from pro Gaddafi TV in Syria. It appears that reports in August that son Khamis, of the dreaded elite military Khamis Brigade actually was killed.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/17/MNGO1LIQUB.DTL


17 posted on 10/18/2011 1:14:45 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
Thanks gleeaikin. Need some flies, on the walls of the classrooms, to record the teachers.
18 posted on 10/18/2011 4:54:51 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen. --> AmeriCain)
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