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When Fighting Cancer Is Folly
Townhall.com ^ | October 13, 2011 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 10/13/2011 11:48:09 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: ops33
The worse part of the treatment was loose stools.

I fell off a loose stool once. Man was that painful.

21 posted on 10/13/2011 12:58:04 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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22 posted on 10/13/2011 1:04:27 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Kaslin

My skin doctor told my father in law to get into his doctor fast. He said he had just been. Odd, his own doctors missed pancreatic cancer.


23 posted on 10/13/2011 1:08:09 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: xkaydet65
The latest stats show a 40% lower death rate from prostate cancer for those men who have been PSA screened.

Well, that sure depends on what study you are looking at. This is from the American Cancer Society.... http://acspressroom.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/u-s-panel-says-no-to-psa-screening/. “One study done in several European countries found that PSA screening reduced deaths from prostate cancer by about 20%. Another study done in the United States concluded that PSA screening did no such thing. In fact, in the US study, the deaths from prostate cancer were greater during the period of the study in men who were screened vs. those who were not, but that difference was not found to be statistically significant.”

I don’t think there is another issue in medicine that has so much misinformation surrounding it. There is some important history to this issue that is definitely worth noting.... particularly for men going through a worrying phase of “crap, I’ve just been told that I’ve got prostate cancer. The entire concept of conducting the PSA tests and using the results as a marker for early detection of cancer came about as the results of research conducted by Stanford University School of Medicine professor Dr. Thomas Stamey. In 1987, Dr. Stamey results were published in the New England Journal of Medicine and essentially, he showed that ‘increased blood PSA levels could be used to indicate prostate cancer’. So... for almost 20 year there has been this cookie cooker annual test that men over 50 take with all the doctors wagging their heads and murmuring “oh, you really should get this test because early detection is oh so important”. Great.... but what happened in 2004? Well, after doing research for the entire period from 1987 to 2004 on a few thousand prostate tissue samples by urologists at Stanford, Dr. Stamey released a new study where he effectively said “"The PSA era is over in the United States.... this new study raises very serious doubts as to whether ‘a man should even use a PSA test for prostate cancer screening anymore’. These results are in the October, 2004 issue of the Journal of Urology. By the way, Dr Stamey did not say that the PSA test should be abandoned completely.... just that it was not a useful predictor of prostate cancer. The results do indicate whether there is a harmless increase in prostate size i.e. the bigger the prostate, the larger the PSA number.

So there you have it.... the inertia of the complete medical profession continuing to propel this concept that the PSA test has any value at all....even though the author of the work upon which this is based may as well of declared “throw it out!” Let me tell you, I have a lot of respect for Dr Stamey to come out and refute his own findings nearly 20 years later. And how many prostates were unnecessarily removed during this period and at what cost to those people? Well, one can just view it as medicine doing the best it can but sometimes it goes down a wrong road. One last thing, there was another study done a few years ago that I’m sure I could lay my hands on if I had a bit of time.....it showed the results of biopsies of young men in the teens and 20s who had accidentally died and as I recollect, at least 10% of the prostates analyzed had cancer. What’s the conclusion to all this? Virtually all men (certainly by the time they reach the age of 60 or 70) have prostate cancer..... for some it will be obvious (and in a very few cases, it may even require removal) but for the rest it exists and remains relatively harmless. As for being concerned? Well, if all that has to happen is for doctors to just look a little hard to find it, it’s hard to be that concerned about it, no?

24 posted on 10/13/2011 1:21:01 PM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: Kaslin
The test doesn't save lives, on balance, and the treatments are usually worse than the disease.

We need stories from men who have suffered the treatment. Then we can decide which is best for us personally.

25 posted on 10/13/2011 1:55:03 PM PDT by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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To: Kaslin

We are born with cancer cells. If we maintain a strong immune system, our body can fight them. It helps to exercise and not fill your body with fat and sugar.


26 posted on 10/13/2011 2:27:52 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: Southern Magnolia

Bump to your post no. 6.


27 posted on 10/13/2011 2:34:50 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: xkaydet65

Bump to your post no. 8.


28 posted on 10/13/2011 2:36:30 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: PGR88

I think we can all agree that Obama/Pelosi DEATHCare was designed to speed death along for whomever Big Brother chooses. We can call it the DemocRAT Holocaust via Death Panels and rationed healthcare. Bend over and kiss your life goodbye thanks to Liberals in the US Congress.


29 posted on 10/13/2011 2:36:51 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: bkepley
Rubber glove phobic is right.

I still don't understand how, after centuries of medical advances, the state of the art is a Dr. sticking a gloved finger up your butt.

Wtf, over?!?

30 posted on 10/13/2011 3:36:27 PM PDT by GBA (The Constitution and conservatism must win in 2012!)
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To: steve8714
I have treated a number of elderly males with long standing diagnoses of prostate CA. Your anecdotes are interesting but don't cut any ice. The stats are what they are. Lots more elderly prostate CA patients than breast cancer patients. Two dfferent animals.

I have also seen men treated for more aggressive forms of prostate CA. They have sometimes lost potency and sometimes developed secondary female sex characteristics. These are not urban legends.

Again, the reason statistics are invaluable is because reliance on anecdotes has an unacceptibly high error factor.

31 posted on 10/13/2011 6:08:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

When it’s your nuts on the line, will you “sit and wait”? I’m talking about patients in their 60s, not 80s.


32 posted on 10/13/2011 7:24:15 PM PDT by steve8714 (America is getting soft. We have a President wearing mommy jeans, probably with no fly.)
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To: bkepley
Really, really good news for those of us who are rubber glove phobic.

That's no PSA blood test. The digital rectal exam can also be used to get a sample to check for blood in the patient's stool.

33 posted on 10/14/2011 12:58:22 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: BikerJoe
Back to the topic, my grandfather died from it, my dad had it, was treated several years ago, and is doing well. Care to guess what's in my future?

This article is complete BS!

The article discusses the recommendation to discontinue population screening with the PSA test. You're different with your family history. It's a different kettle of fish.

34 posted on 10/14/2011 1:11:14 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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