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To: sam_paine
This is one of the problems I have withe the plan also, that while it would be hard for congress to raise rates (imho, because they are so visible), it would be easy for congress to start creating exemptions (to both the income tax and sales tax) as payback for politiccal favors.

The only problem with that objection though, is congress does that today with the current system. It's like saying you don't want to risk going out in the doctor, because it's cold outside and you're worried your toes will become frostbitten, even though your toes are forstbitten right now, and the only way to cure them is to go to the doctor!

Basicly, you're accepting a bad situation, because trying to make things better might put in the exact same bad situation you are right now.

51 posted on 10/13/2011 1:47:39 PM PDT by Brookhaven (999 Tax Calculator: http://goo.gl/AHsjH)
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To: Brookhaven
The only problem with that objection though, is congress does [offsets, credits, and political paybacks] today with the current system

So we agree then? If the same basic problem still exists with the new system, then the new system is by definition not a solution for the problem.

It has been said many times before by Austrians smarter than I...it does not matter how you assess and collect the taxes if the overall tax amount to be collected is too high.

Tax policy reform is one issue. Tax burden is another...the most important.

We need an ALTERNATIVE MAXIMUM TAX law that is independent of all the meddling on the edges.

Something that gives people an incentive to achieve beyond their current productivity.

If you hit this limit, then you're off the hook. You can choose to write a check for that maximum tax and be done with it.

One possible example: If COLA for SS is 1%, then your MAXTAX may only increase that much as well year to year.

No reporting, no forms, no social engineering formula.

Married households often need two jobs to keep up with the tax mill.

If State taxes eat up this maximum, then the Feds get nothing. If California taxes are eating up the maximum, then the federal subsidies going into that state might get scrutiny from other states' congresscritters.

Suddenly, you've got Congress fighting over a limited pie. I don't care what they do after that, as long as they're fighting over money rather than printing it, and raising tax "revenue" is effectively taken off the table because the personal maximum tax dollar amount becomes sacrosanct...instead of a nebulous 9% number for some.

If Congress wants to play their games with prebates and offsets, fine. Let them. If I'm paying the maximum that a single person or family should pay to merely live...let's say it turns out to be $50,000 dollars, then that's that. "I paid $50,000 dollars to support the government...the most anyone can pay, I did my fair share."

Right now, "fair shair" is some vague notion, hidden by withholding, always not suite enough by the takers, too much by the givers.

And....if we can't decide that there's some MAXIMUM $ amount that people should pay for the right to be a productive citizen....then when a society can't do that, then all people are potential slaves. Which is what we have now no matter if it's collected as a flat or fairy tax, 999, 191919, IRS or VAT.

70 posted on 10/14/2011 5:28:46 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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