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To: fightinJAG
Yes, the actual rate of the employee share of the payroll tax is 7.5%. It is a little lower because of a “tax holiday,” I think.

But the holiday is ongoing. And Obama is trying to extend it, so using the 5.65% figure is accurate. Far more accurate than the 15% Cain is claiming.

And since, under the present system, only the about 50% of us who are paying taxes would be affected by the tax hike, once again we’d have little political power to resist the assault of the parasites on our earnings.

My problem isn't with the rates in the 9-9-9 plan per se. My problem is that I'd really like to win this upcoming election and spare this country 4 more years of Obama. Nominating a man whose central plan is raising the taxes on over half the population is not the way to do it. People aren't stupid, even the poor and middle-income. Why should they vote for someone who is going to cost them money?

307 posted on 10/13/2011 4:53:12 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo
Nominating a man whose central plan is raising the taxes on over half the population is not the way to do it. People aren't stupid, even the poor and middle-income. Why should they vote for someone who is going to cost them money?

Wait. I'm confused. I thought you just said in your other post that those who are not paying taxes now would vote for the GOP nom.

The vast majority of the people who may pay taxes for the first time in their life is probably not going to vote for the GOP nom anyway. That's my point. That's why I said what you said was really funny.

But the larger point is: So what? That's situation normal. Doesn't matter WHY they won't vote for the GOP, they just won't. It somehow hasn't prevented us from electing Republican presidents in the past.

Now if your point is that there is a large segment of voters who actually WOULD vote GOP *but for* the Cain plan, in your view "raising their taxes," you've got two hurdles to overcome:

1. What's the evidence that the 999 plan increases the overall tax burden on the majority of individuals who are already taxpayers?

2. What's the evidence that the 999 plan will not free up price competition in consumer markets?

If you are claiming the Cain plain "raises taxes on individuals" because it would make people who paid no taxes now pay some, analytically, I don't think that constitutes a "tax increase." The imposition of taxes for the first time is simply not comparable to (claiming there will be) "tax increases" on those individuals who are present taxpayers.

And I don't think it's intellectually honest to claim, essentially and for purposes of argument, that since the 999 plan *imposes* taxes for the first time on people that probably wouldn't vote for Cain or any other Republican anyway, that voters who are taxpayers and whose overall tax burden would be lowered by the 999 plan won't vote for Cain because it *imposes* taxes on those not presently paying taxes.

The fact is that many taxpaying voters will be *motivated* to vote for a plan that broadens the tax base.

Hell's Bells, the parasites have been voting for years to stick it to the producers so as to get more free stuff out of them. You can be sure that producers will vote to make the parasites contribute if they ever have the chance to do so.

So the fact that the 999 plan may "raise" (more accurately: "impose") taxes on some individuals -- BECAUSE THEY WERE PAYING NO TAXES -- is actually a positive, not a negative in terms of voter intensity among present.taxpayers.

333 posted on 10/14/2011 5:22:07 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Herman Cain actually IS a rocket scientist.)
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