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The night of Herman Cain’s “9-9-9 Plan"
Yahoo News ^ | 12 Oct 2011 | By Chris Moody

Posted on 10/12/2011 6:07:16 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

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To: DTxAg

We have to try. *Everyone* has to pay some federal income tax. I used to believe in our current progressive system. But now I see how dangerous it is. Every year, more and more people are falling off the federal tax rolls, leaving fewer and fewer of us paying the bills.

Currently I think it is approximately 47% who do not pay any federal income tax. In fact, many of them pay a “negative” tax (the Earned Income Tax Credit).

Guess what happens when a politician proposes more programs, more spending, higher taxes. Those 47% couldn’t care less. They have no skin in the game.

If you’re really worried about higher tax rates, just wait until the number of people who pay no federal tax goes above 50%. We’ll be forever outnumbered at the ballot box. Then it’s tyranny of the majority time. Game over.

I now believe every single working person should pay some federal income tax, regardless of income. It should be more than just a nominal amount, but not punitive. Just enough so that everyone will feel some pain when Fedzilla goes on a binge.


61 posted on 10/12/2011 8:15:53 AM PDT by kevao
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To: DTxAg

“I toss it out because it increases taxes on seniors, the average family, “the poor”, numerous small businesses, all businesses that operate at a loss, etc.”

In other words, it increases taxes on those that don’t pay taxes today. Gotcha.

“The empowerment zone stuff just shows that this isn’t an “everybody is equal” plan.”

Don’t confuse State, Local or city taxes with the federal system being discussed.


62 posted on 10/12/2011 8:19:02 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM
In other words, it increases taxes on those that don’t pay taxes today. Gotcha.

No, in other words, it increases the taxes on the people you need to vote for Cain in order to win and implement your plan.

Don’t confuse State, Local or city taxes with the federal system being discussed.


The empowerment zone stuff comes directly from Cain's plan, and it gives certain people and businesses tax breaks (lower rates or better deductions). I haven't discussed city or state taxes at all since those remain regardless of Cain's plan.
63 posted on 10/12/2011 8:31:22 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: kevao
We have to try.

I agree a change is needed, but you don't start with increasing a large number of voters' taxes and implementing simultaneous income taxes and sales taxes that everyone knows can and will be increased over time. You start by cutting the bloat in government, getting the cheats out of the welfare system, closing down harmful agencies (EPA), etc. Once you've done that and shown the cost of government can shrink while the economy booms, you've got the political capital to say "hey, want to see us do even better, let's talk tax reform".
64 posted on 10/12/2011 8:36:24 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: DTxAg
but you don't start with increasing a large number of voters' taxes

Taxes will go up only on those 47% who currently pay no federal income tax. And guess what? That don't vote GOP anyway.

However, once they do start pay something, some of them just might start voting GOP. Once they're finally forced to hand over some of their hard-earned cash like we are, they're not going to want to see it pi$$ed away by Fedzilla any more than we do.

65 posted on 10/12/2011 8:43:02 AM PDT by kevao
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66 posted on 10/12/2011 8:48:54 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Blue Highway

How does this eliminate the IRS? Doesn’t some agency have to collect the taxes?


67 posted on 10/12/2011 9:22:48 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; samtheman
“Nein, nein, nein”, I was getting dizzy from hearing it.

Good thinking on the angles of the Romney-Christie “deal”. I wonder if the cannoli had powdered sugar on them?

McCain v. Romney. I agree. The POW experience “got” JM. Although, it probably would get all of us too. Milt does make McCain look “better” by comparison.

And again, I think Mitt has “the fix” in with several of the candidates, Bachmann and “I'm Gonna Git You Sucka” Cain among them.

I suspect Sarah P. will come out and endorse the candidate she has previously endorsed, Rick Perry. That being said, dammit, he better learn how to speak and debate! I can't see her backing Milt or his pal Hermie.

I come away from the debate very impressed by Newt. He would skin, fillet, marinate and grill Soetoro like fresh road kill.

Still waiting for Hermie to take on Milt...

68 posted on 10/12/2011 9:33:47 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (And who doesn't have baggage?)
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To: GOPsterinMA; Impy; samtheman
RE :”And again, I think Mitt has “the fix” in with several of the candidates, Bachmann and “I'm Gonna Git You Sucka” Cain among them. I suspect Sarah P. will come out and endorse the candidate she has previously endorsed, Rick Perry. That being said, dammit, he better learn how to speak and debate! I can't see her backing Milt or his pal Hermie.

The fact that they still don't go after Romney is starting to look suspicious to me.

Palin’s best bet maybe is to nominate someone who doesn't get the nomination, that way it doesn't look as bad when they turn out bad. She can then say 'I told you so'. much like the Senate vote on ‘Obama’ jobs bill, One analyst said that less Dem Senators would have voted for it if they thought it might actually pass.

69 posted on 10/12/2011 9:56:24 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: US Navy Vet

Some thoughts that should help Herman Cain in the future:

1) Don’t forget to remind people that 9-9-9 is just an INTERIM STEP towards a consumption tax. He never mentioned that.

2) When people ask “what happens when congress wants to raise the 9% sales tax” the answer is “the American people will go ape-shot mad about it and it won’t happen. (he alluded to this but didn’t do a very good job). He did say because of its transparency it will be hard to manipulate but this came off poorly. The answer is if Congress tries to raise 1% here or 1% there, it will effect EVERYONE. It won’t be CLASS WARFARE. The cost of milk and bread will go up, or the money you take home will go down.

Here is a slogan I just came up with - 9-9-9 Unifies All Americans Against Bad Government. 9-9-9 applies to everyone and any change to it effects everyone equally so Congress will not easily be able to change it without an uproar OR a broad consensus.

3) Repetition repetition repetition is important to get your point across. Cain like most smart men probably don’t feel the need to repeat themselves but in politics you are selling. Repeat it. 3 peat it if you can.

4) 9-9-9 does not equal 18% for individuals in the 15% bracket. It is 9% on income, and then 9% on what they choose to spend on new items not used goods as he mentioned. But the adding is incorrect it doesn’t work that way. It encourages savings and encourages a new used-goods market to grow. This = savings and jobs.

I have some other ideas and may take the time to post a vanity “Open Letter to Herman Cain” if I have time later today or in the coming days to bring out these points and others. I am not 100% sold on Cain but lean his way now that the field is pretty much settled. I don’t think America will replace Obama with a Perry-Cain or Romney-Cain but could vote for a Cain-Gingrich or Cain-Santorum (or Cain-Bachman even) if pitched as a package where the Veep is there to help deal with Congress.


70 posted on 10/12/2011 10:01:22 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; samtheman
FRiends, when you eliminate the noise, shiny metal objects and fluff, what you are left with is:

“The fact that they still don't go after Romney is starting to look suspicious to me.”

BINGO! The fix is in. The question is: Will enough folks see it and react?

SP is an American patriot and I she knows this election is for (what's left of) the whole ball of wax. She's going to endorse the dog with the least fleas, who appears to be Perry. Although I suppose if Newt makes serious headway, she could back him.

71 posted on 10/12/2011 10:20:26 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (And who doesn't have baggage?)
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To: DTxAg

pretty sure Cain wouldn’t be cool with starting NEW agencies. More likely he’d be with closing down agencies. Maybe he’d hire Bolton and they can end the UN.


72 posted on 10/12/2011 10:22:51 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway
pretty sure Cain wouldn’t be cool with starting NEW agencies

Pretty sure if you're instituting three taxes (income, corporate, and sales) you'll need folks ensuring compliance with all three, doesn't matter if it's one agency or three.
73 posted on 10/12/2011 10:27:28 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: DTxAg

Not really, you just issue deposits straight to the treasury. Rework how THAT agengy runs, streamline it and make IT more efficient and function as a collection agency. WIN/WIN


74 posted on 10/12/2011 10:34:03 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway
Not really, you just issue deposits straight to the treasury. Rework how THAT agengy runs, streamline it and make IT more efficient and function as a collection agency. WIN/WIN

For what, deposits of tax money? You can do that now, electronic payments to the IRS (in Treasury). In fact, most employers are required to do that now, I think. Doesn't do a thing about making sure people are reporting their income correctly, businesses are reporting their taxes correctly, etc.
75 posted on 10/12/2011 10:38:59 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: DTxAg

“You start by cutting the bloat in government,”

How do you expect to do that when the majority thinks that they do not pay any tax? I want every citizen to get smacked evry day with the cost of government largesse.


76 posted on 10/12/2011 10:43:52 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM
How do you expect to do that when the majority thinks that they do not pay any tax? I want every citizen to get smacked evry day with the cost of government largesse.

You can cut the Department of Education by saying it saves money since the states are no longer sending money to DC just to have bureaucrats take their cut and send that money back to the states. That actually increases education funding for kids. Simple, easy to understand, and completely unrelated to convincing people they need to pay higher taxes.
77 posted on 10/12/2011 10:47:52 AM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: GOPsterinMA; Impy; samtheman; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; BufordP; reaganaut; stephenjohnbanker; ...
RE :"SP is an American patriot and I she knows this election is for (what's left of) the whole ball of wax. She's going to endorse the dog with the least fleas, who appears to be Perry."

Perry has Mexican fleas and he is sending them to college.

You mean this patriot in the 'running' outfit?

palin I can win

78 posted on 10/12/2011 11:14:09 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: sickoflibs

“Perry has Mexican fleas and he is sending them to college.”

Yep. But again, being realistic, who else is there? Romney? Cain? RomneyCain? Bachmann? Paul? Santorum?

Nice pic!


79 posted on 10/12/2011 11:32:39 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (And who doesn't have baggage?)
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To: sickoflibs

I forgot: Newt.


80 posted on 10/12/2011 11:33:38 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (And who doesn't have baggage?)
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