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To: Jonty30

” It should be pointed out that Alabama isn’t infringing on anybody’s rights, because non-citizens don’t have rights under the Constitution.”

What part of the word “illegal” don’t people understand ?
What part of “Un-documented worker” makes it permissible to drive a car , or work in a foreign land ?


32 posted on 10/10/2011 7:22:35 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt ( (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison))
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; upchuck; Jonty30
"non-citizens don’t have rights under the Constitution.”

They certainly don't have all the rights of citizens (see the 14th Amendment speaking of the "privileges and immunities OF CITIZENS"), but it is not correct to say they have NO rights.

For example, if charged with murder, they would have a right to trial by Jury. The government could not simply seize all cash from an alien, legal or illegal, for no reaon at all, with no "due process of law." An alien asked to testify in court could not be drawn and quartered if he didn't testify, based on a claim that the 5th and 8th amendments didn't apply.

Many provisions say "no person" shall have certain things done to them -- not "no citizen." Other provisions apply to "the people" -- like the right to bear arms -- you can argue whether that includes aliens or not. Other provisions are simply stated as obligations on the government -- "debts shall be valid" -- that apply to whoever holds the debts -- in fact that provision was specifically put in to insure that British debt holders after the revolution would get paid.

50 posted on 10/12/2011 2:31:54 PM PDT by BohDaThone
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