Posted on 10/09/2011 8:44:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
..........Now that Chris Christie and Sarah Palin have decided not to run, many political watchers are predicting that there is room on the right for one more contender to join the top ranks. Santorum said his path to victory lies in the Iowa caucuses, “The strategy is to go down and talk to the people of Iowa and do town hall meetings. And I have been to 70 counties of the 99 counties. … We are not hitting huge crowds but we are hitting the people who are the engine of the Iowa caucuses. And they are talking and have influence in their community.”
This week at the “Value Voters Summit” in Washington, DC, the big news did not come from a candidate for president, but rather a supporter of Texas Governor Rick Perry. Baptist minister Robert Jeffress introduced Perry and after the candidate’s speech said that Republican frontrunner Mitt Romney’s Mormon religion is a “cult.”
When asked to comment about Romney’s faith, Santorum who’s a favorite of Christian conservatives, said that he does not believe Mormonism is a cult and that Mitt Romney is a Christian.
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He was ok in my mind until the last debate when he kept shouting over Perry when Perry was trying to answer a question.
He would not shut up and let Perry speak.
That was not likeable, average or the guy next door.
And it was not Presidential for Santorum to do that.
For that, he became very unlikable to me.
If you really want to know post a thread on the religion forum and we will have a discussion.
Can you post what Santorum said?
Freegards
He is great on the social issues, but when he could support a real conservative he chose to support a party jumping liberal. He could not win re-election.
Well here you go [candidates conspire against him, Perry had "poor judgment" on a rock that wasn't his that was covered over, and Santorum steps in it about an insurance program he knows nothing about -- but when did that stop -- PLEASE love me again after shooting myself in the foot for endorsing Arlen Specter -- I'll say and do anything to win Santorum].
Ping to #45
About what?
“What is Baptist definition of a Christian and ‘a cult’?”
The SBC doctrinal statement - which is not binding on member churches - says, “Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.”
http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp
Mormons say Jesus is a created being, made when God the Father had sex with Mary.
The SBC also says, “The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God’s revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy.”
The Mormons say the Bible is true when correctly translated, but they also say anything they disagree with is incorrectly translated, although they cannot explain HOW it is a bad translation.
The SBC says, “There is one and only one living and true God. He is an intelligent, spiritual, and personal Being, the Creator, Redeemer, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe. God is infinite in holiness and all other perfections. God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures. To Him we owe the highest love, reverence, and obedience. The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.”
Mormons say there are many gods, and each person can become a god of his own world someday.
The SBC calls organizations which claim to be Christian while rejected the person of Jesus, the oneness of God, and the scriptures, “cults”.
I don't believe he will go down. Campaigns have ebbs and flows. There were such high expectations surrounding Perry when he announced that he was bound to see a drop off in support. He compounded the problem by not doing well on the "gotcha" panels. Cain has gained support as Perry declined and Romney has stayed flat around 25%. When Perry improves his performance on the "gotcha" panels his support will rise and the Cain supporters will take a 2nd look at their guy and see some of the red flags.
However in answer to your question. If Perry is not the nominee I could vote for Santorum, Gingrich, Paul maybe even Cain. I won't vote for Romney even if it's vs, obama. If that's the case I'll support conservatives with money and vote on the local races.
Thanks.
Knowing your preference, I’d say readers can confidently take away from your post, that you see Santorum as a threat to Perry.
:D
I didn’t know he jumped in on the race baiting crap. Thanks for the info.
Actually Mormonism is a cult, but many think Catholicism is a cult as well. Evangelicals place no one between Jesus and the individual, however that does not keep the Jim Jones types from trying, and all too often succeeding.
I will just accept Jesus at his word. If it were not so He would have told us.
True but I thing GW did some serious arm twisting in that race. As you may recall he had promises from Specter so GW was a big supporter himself.
Perhaps this is Romney’s plan to get a “Christian VP” to innoculate himself... and think he can overcome his pro-choice past by choosing a pro-life candidate...
PS - mormonism is a cult
I’m sorry, the actual quote from Santorum. For some reason Fox is being blocked, or I would have looked. I just googled it from the B.globe, this is what they have him saying:
But when asked if he believed Romney is “a true Christian,” Santorum spoke somewhat haltingly: “Mitt Romney is a true, he says he’s a Christian. I believe he said Christian.”
Freegards
They claim to believe that Jesus is the Son of God. But when you question them you will find that they believer there are lots of Sons of God...Jesus is not the only one in their view.
They think Lucifer was a brother of Christ, thereby also being a son of God. And they believe that Mormon believers will be on a par with Christ one day and rule their own worlds like Christ rules this one.
Clearly they have problems with the special nature of Christ. In truth, Jesus is deity and one with God and he is God Himself.
They are definitely a cult.
June 13, 2011: Rick Santorum Hopes Christian Voters Will Look Beyond Mormon Faith of Romney, Huntsman
"Social conservative Rick Santorum told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he hopes Christian voters can overlook Jon Huntsman's and Mitt Romney's Mormon faith.
[snip]
Santorum said Sunday he hopes voters will overcome differences in a candidate's faith.
When it came to labeling Romney and Huntsman as “true conservatives,” however, Santorum questioned both their records.
"I think they've held positions in the past that have not been conservative and I think they have to account for those," he shared."......
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October 9, 2011: 2 Romney challengers dodge Christian question
"WASHINGTON—Two Republican presidential candidates refused to say Sunday whether they believe Mitt Romney, a Mormon, is a Christian, while a third said he doesn't agree with a Texas pastor who called the religion a "cult."
Businessman Herman Cain and Minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann declined to answer questions about Romney's Mormon religion.
"He's a Mormon, that much I know," Cain said. "I am not going to do an analysis of Mormonism versus Christianity for the sake of answering that."
Bachmann called the issue a distraction.
"I think what the real focus is here, is on religious tolerance. That's really what this is about," Bachmann said. "To make this a big issue is ridiculous right now, because every day I'm on the street talking to people. This is not what people are talking about."
Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who runs in the GOP presidential campaign as a social conservative, was more direct, saying -- as Texas Gov. Rick Perry did Friday -- that he didn't consider Mormonism a cult.
"I'm not an expert on Mormonism. All I know is that every Mormon I know is a good and decent person, has great moral values," Santorum said.
But when asked if he believed Romney is "a true Christian," Santorum spoke somewhat haltingly: "Mitt Romney is a true, he says he's a Christian. I believe he said Christian.".........................[hard to make sense of that]
It doesn't really mean anything much. "Cult' is an insult used by some denominations to disparage those with different religious beliefs.
I lived in Arizona for ten years and got to know lots of Mormons. They were good patriotic charitable family-oriented people. Maybe their church is a cult, maybe not, but they lived their lives and treated their neighbors better than a lot of "Christians," including some sanctimonious Harper Valley baptist hypocrites.
You think? just ask Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori of The Episcopal Church about that "faith once delivered to the saints." According to her there's room for mormons, hindus, pagans, zoroastrians, whatever, all just "different pathways" to the same goal. Or ask the United Church of Christ, which has officially declined to witness Jesus Christ as God incarnate.
This is why attacks on Mormons on religious grounds rings hollow as a dead log.
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