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The precautionary principle is usually a flop with prostate cancer, unless you have one that is particularly malingnant, you're probably going to die from something else. This is not news.

Now I've seen one of those malignant types in a VA hospital, and it wasn't pretty. It metastasized to the neck. The poor guy was probably terminal, and his tongue was permanently protruding out of his mouth! They need a test for those really malignant types, as most are rather indolent.

There's a video at the source.

1 posted on 10/07/2011 10:56:10 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Death panel.


2 posted on 10/07/2011 11:03:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: neverdem

I’m 52 now and I have been wondering if it’s time for me to get that checked, so this is an interesting article.

Other than having to get up more than twice a night to leak, I don’t have anything that could be considered a symptom. From what I understand, that’s not unusual at this age.


4 posted on 10/07/2011 11:13:17 PM PDT by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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“At first, you start off with a biopsy to see if the guy actually has prostate cancer, and that’s usually not that big a deal to go through and pretty safe. But in some cases, there can be complications and it can take some time to recover from even that. And then it turns out that — if he has prostate cancer, then he has to undergo surgery or radiation. And that can have some very serious complications, the biggest ones being impotence and incontinence.”

That says it all, read it carefully, these people should be fired.


5 posted on 10/07/2011 11:16:29 PM PDT by dila813
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To: neverdem
They need a test for those really malignant types, as most are rather indolent.

Between the rectal exam and PSA reading from blood tests, your GP will refer you to a urologist if they suspect prostate cancer. The urologist will likely take samples from your prostate. They stick a probe up your rectum and stab your prostate with small tubes taking tiny core samples. Make sure you go for the six sample test and not the 17 as you will bleed for months if you do. The lab will read the samples and determine dispersion and rates of growth from microscopic analysis. This is when you learn your choices of treatment. better hope this all happens before the cancer metastasizes, grows beyond the prostate sack into your body for then it's likely all over for you. The point about impotency in the article is rather silly when you consider the alternative. Most men will get prostate cancer. The trick is getting diagnosed if you have the rapid growth form or not.

6 posted on 10/07/2011 11:24:29 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: neverdem

I would conclude from that interview that employees of PBS and the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force have received waivers from Obamacare.


8 posted on 10/07/2011 11:32:10 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: neverdem
Yes. What they're talking about is, when somebody comes back with a positive PSA test, something that indicates that he might have prostate cancer, it starts sort of a cascade of medical treatments that can lead to some pretty serious complications.

I see a lot of ignorance in this conversation. First there is the absolute value of the PSA; it could be less than 1.0 or 4.6. The rate of change and the percentage increase are important factors. Then there is the retest of the PSA making sure that the patient has not had sex recently or experienced a DRE to temporarily elevate the PSA.

Combine that with a DRE to determine whether or not to recommend a biopsy. Generally a PSA greater than 4.0 will get you a recommendation by your general practitioner to see a urologist.

The PSA saves many lives by early detection of prostate cancer, especially those that are not detectable by a digital rectal exam (DRE). Prostate cancer is a leading killer of men. The PSA is an important factor in early detection, and monitoring of prostate cancer after treatment.

23 posted on 10/08/2011 2:37:08 AM PDT by olezip
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great post - I think one of the problems that is not mentioned is that any guy with a “positive” PSA who does not get a major series of tests would then become a potential law suit for the MD...”why didn’t you treat my Dad, husband, or biggest benefactor.” Only malpractice reform will stop the aggresive actions of doctors to protect themselves.


24 posted on 10/08/2011 5:13:00 AM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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JEFFREY BROWN: Now, it's important to say that this
panel -- these recommendations are for men who do not have
any symptoms, correct?

ROB STEIN: Right. And that is very important.

This is for men who basically are healthy, there's no sign
that they might have prostate cancer, there's no reason to
think that they might have a tumor that nobody has picked
up yet."


Rob Stein's statements are so blatantly false.

I was diagnosed with prostate cancer last year.  I was
healthy and had absolutely no symptoms.  There was no
indication of anything when the DRE was done.  My PSA was
8.2 so I had a biopsy.  The pathology report came back with
a Gleason 4+4=8.  This is considered high risk.  Again I
had NO SYMPTOMS whatsoever.

I had radiation teatments, both external beam and seed
implants.  My PSA reading has been on a steady downward
march since treatments. 

If every so called healthy man waited until some symptoms
showed up before getting tested we'd have a lot more deaths
from prostate cancer.

My advice - GO GET TESTED.


27 posted on 10/08/2011 5:50:43 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: neverdem

Good way to get rid of old white guys. Good central planning.


28 posted on 10/08/2011 7:12:17 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: ELS

Ping


32 posted on 10/09/2011 6:53:00 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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