Posted on 10/07/2011 9:09:18 PM PDT by Steelfish
Alabama Immigration Threat: Prove Your Legal Status Or Lose Water Supply Poster put up in town hall illustrates potential impact of new laws which are now subject of appeal by federal government
Ed Pilkington 7 October 2011
The warning notice in Allgood, Alabama. Click the magnify icon to see the full poster
The poster is mildly worded, but carries a very big punch. "Attention to all water customers," it begins. "To be compliant with new laws concerning immigration you must have an Alabama driver's licence …"
And then comes the hit: "… or you may lose water service."
The warning, posted in the offices of a public water company in the small town of Allgood in Alabama, is the most graphic illustration yet of the draconian new immigration law coming into effect in the state. Under section 30 of the new law, HB56, anyone who lacks proper immigration papers is deemed to be committing a crime if they try to enter into a "business transaction" with the "state or a political subdivision of the state".
The law does not spell out what constitutes a "business transaction" or what particular state bodies are implicated, but judging from the poster put up by the Allgood Alabama Water Works company it is being interpreted widely enough to include the basic essentials of life.
"This demonstrates the cruelty of the new law by denying the most basic facilities to people. It's designed to make life so miserable that people self-deport, and this poster is a vivid example of what that looks like," said Jessica Karp of the National Day Laborers union.
Allison Neal, legal director of the Alabama branch of the American Civil Liberties Union, said: "If you want to see the harm that the law will cause, then you can't get much...
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
If you don't pay, then you get cut off.
If you have no ID, you cannot get services.
Most do not have their own well, and let me ask this.
was your well an old fashioned hand pump, or was it electric? If electric, and you didn't pay your bill, you didn't get your water.
No one is advocating anyone dying. What the people of Alabama are tired of is people circumventing the LAW.
Many people come legally to America every year, we are just tired of those who think they are so “special” that the law shouldn't apply to them.
If you had 50 years of America in your life you can see the problem. We do not have the ability to have a rush of illegals on a system that we have sustained. It must be a controlled access. Our system is not in good shape and cannot even maintain the crap FDR is forcing us to maintain and pay for.
You’ve been fortunate then.
I really do not trust bureaucrats. They lost my high school diploma and due to a foul up on their end, it took months to sort out before they realized that I really did have all the credentials. I almost lost my place at college because of it.
My mother had to fight to even get me admitted to public school, because I have a disability and the bureaucrats insisted that I go into special education. Back then, everyone with my disability went there. She managed to find a school which would accept me and from there, transferred to the other school once I proved that I could hack it.
The bureaucrats assigned me a ‘monitor’ who’s job was to report back to them. If I wasn’t cutting it he could have put me in special ed.
I understand the rationale behind it. I just don’t trust the bureaucrats.
Thank you. Anyone thinking that has imbibed the media kool-aid.
“Meanwhile, renting from someone who does have all of the above solves the problem for you, and doesn’t address the problem of illegal immigrants.”
Landlords should never put ANY utilities under their own name. It makes you liable for the bills the tenant racks up. ALWAYS make sure the rental has its own meters for everything and that the tenant gets the utilities turned on in their OWN name.
If it turns out you rented to a nice clean-cut individual who turns out to be an indoor pot farmer, his grow lights and watering systems can generate thousands of dollars in bills per month. Or, if he illegally bypasses the meters, there are fines in the tens of thousands of dollars that YOU are liable for when they are eventually discovered.
Don’t remind me about FDR.
The country would be in much better shape if it could erase everything the man ever did. The problem is with people forgetting how things were like before him. Not many of those folks around anymore.
I understand the problem with the illegals, but I guess I’m old fashioned. The best defense is a proactive one. With proper border security, you can keep them out of the country altogether.
This, really doesn’t get you to where you need to be, wrt illegal immigrants. It’s easy enough for them to simply rent from someone and have them cover the bills.
And here I thought it was silly to stockpile water in an emergency...
My Daddy died when I was 13. 7 kids. I worked my tail off and was the best damn dishwasher in the world. We didn’t get much. I joined the service and took off with a ton of hard work and very low pay.
An excellent example of how local governments, blocked by the feds from actually deporting illegals, can use local laws to good effect.
Seizing vehicles of any driver pulled over without a license or insurance will also discourage illegals from your area. Same with enforcement of zoning laws to stop fifteen people from occupying what is zoned as a “single family residence”.
I know you’re not advocating that. I’m just worried about the unintended consequences, that’s all. I’m not saying that you are motivated to kill old ladies and whatnot.
I’m just saying, that even with the system as it is, that people have been cut off and the have been killed by power companies when the power companies failed to investigate. We’re talking old folks who might not see the bills come in or even understand what has to be paid with the bills.
The system needs to have the proper feedback to ensure that the only ones who get cut off are from fraud. It’s just too easy to cut corners and be careless, especially if you are in a government job and you cannot be fired for negligence.
As for the pump, it was electric, but you could crank it in a pinch. Came in handy when the power would go out when trees hit the power poles. We were a ways away from ‘civilization’ so we had to be able to function without power for stretches, even in the middle of the winter.
Cities aren’t designed for this though.
“My Daddy died when I was 13. 7 kids. I worked my tail off and was the best damn dishwasher in the world. We didn’t get much. I joined the service and took off with a ton of hard work and very low pay.”
I’m sorry to hear that. I, at least was 28 when mine passed on.
Thank you for your service, sir. May I ask what branch?
USAF
Now if only we could pass a law that gets stupid degenerate commie pieces of crap like this to self-deport.
Day laborers union my ass.
Rent-a-drunks don't need to be paying union dues anyways, cuts into their drinking money
No environmental rules, or taxes, are ever called "draconian" by the MSM. Only laws passed by Republicans.
“Landlords should never put ANY utilities under their own name. It makes you liable for the bills the tenant racks up. ALWAYS make sure the rental has its own meters for everything and that the tenant gets the utilities turned on in their OWN name.
If it turns out you rented to a nice clean-cut individual who turns out to be an indoor pot farmer, his grow lights and watering systems can generate thousands of dollars in bills per month. Or, if he illegally bypasses the meters, there are fines in the tens of thousands of dollars that YOU are liable for when they are eventually discovered.”
You’re telling me? I’m just telling you what I see happening out there.
That’s an understatement...AL makes AZ look like an amateur.<<<
That’s because AL actually has Americans residing in it! (It helps to have the Gulf for a border instead of an imaginary line without troops enforcing it too!)
Chair force eh. :P
Sadly they don’t take cripples like me. Again, thanks for your service, sir.
I hope you understand my point. I am moving on. God Bless
LOL! We had a squad in Korea that was wiped out. The number was resurrected during Nam via Congress and it has had a better survival rate. Godspeed
Yeah, I do. The policy is well-intentioned. Just the first question I always ask myself is: “would this policy work if Obama were the one making the decisions”?
If that answer is no, then I have concerns. I wouldn’t trust Obama not to use this power to punish political enemies.
Blessings.
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