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To: sometime lurker
Back to claiming "law of nations" always refers to Vattel, are you?

No, actually I never said nor implied this. Vattel is simply recognized by the SCOTUS as one of the best writers on the subject. I was actually talking about the law of nations being a set of universal principles and used the Blackstone quote to support that comment. No surprise that you try to come up with a nonsense deflection.

You keep trying to say that Vattel = common law, but it doesn't.

Are you really this dense?? The Blackstone quote says it for me: "the law of nations ... is here adopted in its full extent by the common law ..." This shows that English common law was based in large part on the law of nations, although it obviously goes well beyond the law of nations in several aspects, but the central point that I made is very clear and fully supported.

My response points up some of your errors, which you don't want to acknowledge. I guess to you, that's "missing the point."

No, it's called being honest. You should try it. You've constructed strawmen and mischaracterizations of my posts ... intentional distortions and/or complete fabrications. The errors are all yours.

616 posted on 10/26/2011 8:42:02 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919
I was actually talking about the law of nations being a set of universal principles and used the Blackstone quote to support that comment. No surprise that you try to come up with a nonsense deflection.

Since you trust Blackstone as a source, let's see what he had to say about "natural born" and "common law"

The first and most obvious division of the people is into aliens and natural-born subjects. Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England, that is, within the ligeance, or as it is generally called, the allegiance of the king; and aliens, such as are born out of it. ...

When I say, that an alien is one who is born out of the king's dominions, or allegiance, this also must be understood with some restrictions. The common law indeed stood absolutely so; with only a very few exceptions: so that a particular act of parliament became necessary after the restoration, for the naturalization of children of his majesty's English subjects, born in foreign countries during the late troubles. And this maxim of the law proceeded upon a general principle, that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born...

The children of aliens, born here in England, are, generally speaking, natural-born subjects, and entitled to all the privileges of such.

So Blackstone schools you on the common law and "natural born." He is very clear here as to what common law says, and it does not agree with the opinions of De Vattel. As you say, read it, understand it, learn from it.
618 posted on 10/27/2011 7:15:47 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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