How edge919 reads WKA:
1.There is a difference between a NBC and a 14th Amendment born citizen because some pretend lawyer on the Internet said that Vattel says so
2.Look, the WKA judges call Wong a Citizen, not a NBC.
3.Yippee!!! This proves I am right about No.1 above!!!
How a rational person reads WKA
1.Crap, this is a long case. Hmmmm,people born in England are NBJs no matter who their parents were. Hmmm. Hmmm. Same in America for the NBCs. Hmmm. Hmmm. 14th Amendment affirms this ancient rule. Birth here and allegiance is same as birth here and jurisdiction.Hmmm.
2. Look, the WKA judges call Wong a Citizen, not a NBC.
3. Wow, they are the same thing and I read the case right, and so did the Indiana judges and most every other SENSIBLE person.
See. The difference is, that the words you quibble about are only meaningful to people who start off with a preconceived idea and want to play sophistry games. Which is why the Indiana judges told those Vattle Birthers:
[14] We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” using the Constitution‟s Article II language is immaterial.
I want YOU to summarize EACH section of WKA to see how you will glide past all the stuff you ignore, which is 99.9% of the case.
Sorry, but you're making up faleshoods out of your own desperation. Nothing was "pre-conceived." When I first read the Wong Kim Ark decision a couple of years ago, I had the same opinion you did ... until I started noticing how Gray would never directly come out and say Ark was a natural-born citizen. Gray used a bit of your technique to baffle folks with bullishness ... plus a large dose of quantity rather than quality - for his justification of the 14th amendemnt. That's what makes Minor so compelling. Minor didn't go to great lengths to examine how one was declared to be a citizen. The language is simple, direct and to the point: all children born in the country to parents who were its citizens. The Minor decision could have easily accepted the 14th amendment citizenship argument, but they did not. Maybe it was out contempt for congress or out of a sense of conservatism, but the point is, they said what they said and Gray followed the legal precedent that was established. I've given you a point by point explanation of how Gray wrote his decision and right on cue, you're letting your head explode instead of admitting that you're wrong. A rational person does not work as hard as you do to discredit the messenger. The message speaks for itself. WKA and Minor both affirmed that NBC = born in the country to citizen parents. Period. Game. Set. Match.