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To: edge919

I backed myself up with a SCOTUS quote!!! What have you backed yourself up with??? NOTHING. Plus, when something is INDISPUTABLE, maybe the Minor judges did not think it necessary to quote a case:

“It is an indisputable proposition, that by the rule of the common law of England, if applied to these facts, Julia Lynch was a natural born citizen of the United States. And this rule was established and inflexible in the common law, long anterior to the first settlement of the United States, and indeed, before the discovery of America by Columbus. “

Because I noticed, in this case that you think is the answer to everything, the Minor judges did not quote any cases on anything. Maybe that is because it was easy. Virginia Minor was a citizen, before the 14th Amendment was passed, and she didn’t get to vote sooo people could be citizens and not have the right to vote. Sooo, they could still be citizens after the 14th, but they still didn’t get the right to vote.

But this is the case you Vattle Birthers just love, even though it is a voting rights case, not a citizenship case. If you want a case that does quote a lot of cases, maybe you should look at Wong Kim Ark!!! (And quit being a sophist!)

Tee Hee! Tee Hee!


545 posted on 10/18/2011 8:34:12 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: Squeeky
I backed myself up with a SCOTUS quote!!!

Wrong. I already brought up the quote earlier and gave you a challenge based on the content of that quote - a challenge you have still failed to address. That's not how you back yourself up ... unless you meant that you back yourself up into a corner. I can't argue against that. Plus, when something is INDISPUTABLE, maybe the Minor judges did not think it necessary to quote a case:

You're not helping yourself. All this does is admit that the quote didn't back you up at all.

It is an indisputable proposition, that by the rule of the common law of England, if applied to these facts, Julia Lynch was a natural born citizen of the United States.

This is a conditional statement and the Supreme Court has never agreed with this nor have they cited this. When referencing Lynch, Gray said it elaborately argued for citizenship of a person born in the "dominion" of foreign parents and that it was one of the cases that went "farthest" in declaring specific statutes to be declaratory of common law. Gray certainly didn't cite this statement NOR did he ever suggested that the Lynch decision was a basis for natural-born citizenship.

Because I noticed, in this case that you think is the answer to everything, the Minor judges did not quote any cases on anything

Thank you. That's the point of the challenge I gave you. Gray said that Minor resorted to common law to define the citizen provision of the 14th amendment, but as you have observed, the Minor judges did NOT quote any cases and did NOT quote any common law. They did give a definition of NBC that was a verbatim match from the Law of Nations and that same definition was quoted in WKA. Do you understand that??? Gray quoted Minor on NBC; he did NOT quote Lynch on NBC. Which case is the actual legal precedent on NBC??? (This isn't a hard answer to come up with. Hint: It's not the one that starts with L.)

549 posted on 10/19/2011 7:52:02 AM PDT by edge919
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