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To: DiogenesLamp
No, you are arguing the converse; That someone born in a nation, yet raised in another nation will still have loyalty to the nation he was born in rather than the nation he was raised in. In either case, the loyalty is suspect. Not so for people born and raised by loyal parents in their own country. Can you not see why you wouldn't want such a situation? So did the founders.

So wait: now you're arguing that a president has to not only be born in the US, and not only be born of citizen parents, but also raised in the US? Are you claiming that opinion was expressed by the Founders somewhere?

Besides, the part where you say "you are arguing the converse; That someone born in a nation, yet raised in another nation will still have loyalty to the nation he was born in rather than the nation he was raised in"--that was your argument! You wrote, of your hostage royalty example, "their loyalty was always assumed to be to that of the Family and Nation that sent them, rather than the one they lived in"! Are you now disavowing that argument? I can't keep track.

538 posted on 10/18/2011 2:20:09 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
So wait: now you're arguing that a president has to not only be born in the US, and not only be born of citizen parents, but also raised in the US? Are you claiming that opinion was expressed by the Founders somewhere?

I take it you have not actually READ the Federalist Papers and the notes on the convention? (dryly)

Besides, the part where you say "you are arguing the converse; That someone born in a nation, yet raised in another nation will still have loyalty to the nation he was born in rather than the nation he was raised in"--that was your argument! You wrote, of your hostage royalty example, "their loyalty was always assumed to be to that of the Family and Nation that sent them, rather than the one they lived in"! Are you now disavowing that argument?

I am pointing out that the founders had no faith in either aspect of that example. With such an individual, the loyalty is never certain.

I can't keep track.

As Lex Luthor said in Superman I, "Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe. "

540 posted on 10/18/2011 2:46:55 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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