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To: edge919
Here's some more of you insanity:

Sorry, but this is an ignorant strawman. Nobody said the 14th amendment does NOT apply to most of the nation. You're overreacting. I've only pointed out that Waite rejected the citizen clause for NBCs. The rest of the 14th amendment is still applicable. Citizenship is NOT the only thing the 14th amendment deals with.

Uh. . .dude. . .YOU'RE saying it. How in the world can part of the 14th Amendment NOT apply to probably 250 million plus Americans, and not hardly anybody know it??? Except for you and a few other people in your cult. See, this is where a reasonable person would start to question their thinking process. Not you!

You just make up some more imaginary law and NOW, we learn from you that the rest of the 14th Amendment applies to all of us, just not the citizenship part. But you don't have any cases that say it. Because if the 14th Amendment does not apply to most Americans, I kind of think somebody besides you would have noticed it.

Where are the cases that quote Minor Happersett to prove that the 14th Amendment does not apply to most Americans??? I haven't seen any. And just out of curiosity, where do the rest of us Americans get our citizenship??? I want an answer to this. What is next? Will you start telling people here they don't have to pay taxes??? Or to put commas in their name.

528 posted on 10/18/2011 12:24:26 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: Squeeky
Uh. . .dude. . .YOU'RE saying it. How in the world can part of the 14th Amendment NOT apply to probably 250 million plus Americans, and not hardly anybody know it???

Take it up with the Supreme Court:

There is no doubt that women may be citizens. They are persons, and by the fourteenth amendment "all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are expressly declared to be "citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But, in our opinion, it did not need this amendment to give them that position.

Do you understand?? This is where you nod your head up and down. Women did not need the 14th amendment to given them citizenship because there was another way to determine citizenship: all children born in the country to parents who were its citizens.

Where are the cases that quote Minor Happersett to prove that the 14th Amendment does not apply to most Americans???

In Wong Kim Ark. This has been shown.

That neither Mr. Justice Miller nor any of the justices who took part in the decision of The Slaughterhouse Cases understood the court to be committed to the view that all children born in the United States of citizens or subjects of foreign States were excluded from the operation of the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment is manifest from a unanimous judgment of the Court, delivered but two years later, while all those judges but Chief Justice Chase were still on the bench, in which Chief Justice Waite said: "Allegiance and protection are, in this connection" (that is, in relation to citizenship),
reciprocal obligations. The one is a compensation for the other: allegiance for protection, and protection for allegiance. . . . At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of [p680] parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Read the part underlines. It cuts to the chase. It is supported by the context of both the WKA and Minor decisions. Read it. Learn it. Understand it.

530 posted on 10/18/2011 12:30:57 PM PDT by edge919
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