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To: Vickery2010; DiogenesLamp
Impossible standards of proof aren't the mark of rational people, you know.
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Please remember Yuri Besmenov’s warning. The first people the communists dragged out of their beds, lined up against a wall, and shot, were the Useful Idiots.

What incredible audacity to state that those questioning Obama’s eligibility are not rational!

Fact: Obama deliberately posted forgeries when it would have been **easy** for him to have provided straight forward and completely certifiable proof. And....Alarm bells are not going off in your head?

Fact: Several respected licensed private investigators ( completely independent from each other) state that Obama has multiple social security numbers, and the number he is currently using can not be his. And...Alarm bells are not going off in your head?

Fact: It is a **simple** and very inexpensive matter to prove one’s natural born citizenship, yet, Obama has sent private and tax paid attorneys to states across the nation to block release of these **common** documents. And...Alarm bells are not going off in your head?

Fact: Several military officers requested that Obama prove his natural born citizenship. A **REAL** natural born American would be **honored** to promptly prove that he was eligible to be president and Commander in Chief. He would be especially pleased to do this for a member of the military. And...Alarm bells are not going off in your head?

Fact: The night before he was to be deposed on Obama’s passport, Lieutenant Quail Harris was shot in the head. And....Alarm bells are not going off in your head.

Well!....It certainly isn't those questioning Obama’s eligibility who are irrational.

458 posted on 10/17/2011 3:27:34 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime

There is a difference between Common Sense Suspicious Birthers, which I was one of, and still have doubts, and these Vattle Birthers. Common sense suspicions DO NOT require a conspiracy. Just Obama’s grandmother and a crooked clerk and maybe $20 or more. Plus, even though I am not still as suspicious, it is NOT crazy to have doubts about a long form image that has a long form layer that looks like White Out got poured all over it.

The Vattle Birthers are different from that. There has to be a cover up conspiracy by conservative and Republican lawyers and judges. Plus, you have to not be able to read English to be a Vattle Birther. Not to mention just be stupid and illogical.

The worse thing that the original Birthers can ever do is to let themselves be connected to these Vattle Birthers. Who some may even be Obots trying to PUNK us. Which is why I beat them like carpets over a clothesline WITH LOGIC.


461 posted on 10/17/2011 3:36:21 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: wintertime
And....Alarm bells are not going off in your head?

This is an extremely salient point. Of all the things which have gone on with this fellows efforts to hide all his particulars, Alarm bells should indeed have been going off in everyone's heads. That he was given a pass at every critical juncture is just unconscionable. And that there are actually people who are standing up in his defense? Incredible.

I feel like I am living in Germany in the 1930s. We even have anti-semitic mobs protesting Jews in New York with the backing of the American Nazis and the American communists. Propaganda from Obama's digital warriors is so constant and prolific that it would make Minister Goebbels proud.

Alarm Bells indeed!

511 posted on 10/18/2011 6:42:05 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: wintertime
Please remember Yuri Besmenov’s warning. The first people the communists dragged out of their beds, lined up against a wall, and shot, were the Useful Idiots.

That makes no sense whatsoever. "Useful idiots" was the term for Soviet sympathizers. Why would the Soviets shoot their own supporters? I'm pretty sure you're not quoting Bezemnov correctly here. Big surprise, I know: a Birther's memory is faulty.

What incredible audacity to state that those questioning Obama’s eligibility are not rational!

Is 'rational' the word you usually use to describe people who allege massive ongoing conspiracies? Particularly ones that involve allegations of bipartisan cooperation, 200-year legal coverups, secret celebrity baby-daddys, and forgeries that can only be detected by amateurs on their home computers?

Fact: Obama deliberately posted forgeries when it would have been **easy** for him to have provided straight forward and completely certifiable proof. And....Alarm bells are not going off in your head?

No. Obama did provide straightforward proof...which Birthers promptly declared was forged. If Birthers keep claiming all the evidence against them is forged, exactly how **easy** can it be? I have zero doubt that if Obama actually obtained and published his mother's 1961 hospital records, Birthers would declare THOSE to be forgeries or inconclusive too.

Fact: Several respected licensed private investigators ( completely independent from each other) state that Obama has multiple social security numbers

That's a "fact" to the extent that they "state" it. It's less than a fact when you append "respected" and "independent" to it.

Fact: It is a **simple** and very inexpensive matter to prove one’s natural born citizenship

Amuse me: what would this "simple and very inexpensive" route entail? For years, Birthers said Obama could end the whole shebang by releasing his long-form. He posted his long-form on the internet for anyone to see, as well as all the documentation showing how it was obtained. He allowed reporters to handle it, including WND's own reporter. And that wasn't enough. Where are your goalposts now?

Fact: Several military officers requested that Obama prove his natural born citizenship. A **REAL** natural born American would be **honored** to promptly prove that he was eligible to be president and Commander in Chief

He did. In June 2008, before he was President. It's not his fault that some soldiers are conspiracy theorists. Also, when you're Commander-in-Chief, you don't take orders from soldiers; they take orders from you.

Fact: The night before he was to be deposed on Obama’s passport, Lieutenant Quail Harris was shot in the head. And....Alarm bells are not going off in your head.

I believe you misspelled "Lie" as "Fact." Virtually none of that is true. He wasn't a Lieutenant. There was no deposition. Harris had nothing to do with Obama's passport, as confirmed by Bush's own State Department. So no, alarm bells aren't going off in my head, because I don't believe stupid false rumors. The fact that you would include something this blatantly wrong on a list of compelling evidence just demonstrates how crappy your 'evidence' is.

517 posted on 10/18/2011 8:46:11 AM PDT by Vickery2010
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