[Squeeky]

You said:"So there you have it. These are two distinct terms for citizenship and two distinct definitions. NBC is defined OUTSIDE the law and OUTSIDE the Constitution. Citizenship by birth is defined BY the Constitution through the 14th amendment. "

WRONG. NBC is defined in common LAW, and the common law on this issue was incorporated into the Constitution by the 14th Amendment. Remember what I have told you before:

Ex Parte Chin King in 1888: By the common law, a child born within the allegiance—the jurisdiction—of the United States, is born a subject or citizen there­of, without reference to the political status or condition of its parents. McKay v. Campbell, 2 Sawy., 118 ; In re Look Tin Sing, 10 Sawy., 353 ; 21 Fed. Rep., 905; Lynch v. Clarke, 1 Sandf. Ch., 583. In the latter case it was held that Julia Lynch, who was born in New York in 1849, of alien parents during a temporary sojourn by them in that city; and returned with them the same year to their native country, where she resided until her death, was an American citizen.

The vice-chancellor, after an exhaustive examination of the law, declared that every citizen born within the dominion and allegiance of the United States was a citizen thereof, without reference to the situation of his parents.

This, of course, does not include the children born in the United States of parents engaged in the diplomatic service of foreign gov­ernments, whose residence, in contemplation of public law, is a part of their own country.

THE RULE OF COMMON LAW ON THIS SUBJECT HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF THE LAND.

The fourteenth amendment declares : persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States, and of the state wherein they reside.’

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Plus, it says it again in Wong Kim Ark. Remember when I showed you this???:

The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens.

You are just working overtime to NOT understand this so you can keep being a Vattle Birther. Which, I don't understand why you work sooo hard to misconstrue something which is really pretty simple.

[edge919]

Are you stupid or just dumb?? You're proving my point for me. Nothing in your citation uses the term natural-born citizen. You've even gone and cited a Wong Kim Ark quote that uses the term "citizenship by birth" that I already explained is different from natural born citizen and is defined only by the 14th amendment. And read your "Ex parte Chin" citation closely:

By the common law, a child born within the allegiance—the jurisdiction—of the United States, is born a subject or citizen ...

We are not born "subjects" in the United States. The so-called common law is an acknolwedgment that someone can be born on U.S. soil as a subject of Britain. Second, some states, such as New York (where the Lynch v. Clarke case took place) had specific laws declaring citizens of the state regardless of the parents citizenship. The NBC definition in Minor is referring to U.S. citizenship, not state citizenship. NBC is universal because NOT all states declared just anyone born on their soil to be citizens.

Something that is missed too, is a quote from Lynch v. Clarke (which was notably avoided in Wong Kim Ark) where the judge muses that he thinks that anyone born on the soil, regardless of alien parents, would be eligible for president. His opinion was NOT shared by the Supreme Court, which I've shown several times.