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To: LibLieSlayer
Here's my problem with Cain. He is a political animal, he was running for office for a while now, he just lost. He went to an all black college, which I don't like and he is apparently still for affirmative action. I don't like crazy tax plans that probably will never pass anyway and I don't like people without records.

I can look at MItt and say he is a moderate to liberal Republican because his record says so. I can look at Perry and say he is a very social Conservative and he is not a tax raiser and he is a spending cutter, because of his record. I can point to flaws and positives in both. Cain is another unknown entity who speaks well and comes across as a decent man but he needs to be vetted like Mitt and Perry have been then we will see where he stands. right now he says the right things and is amiable but i don't know him and his record is invisible.

51 posted on 10/06/2011 5:02:29 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy
Here's my problem with Cain. He is a political animal, he was running for office for a while now, he just lost.

By the way, he certainly isn't the only candidate that has run for office before! lol

2004: Won second place in US Senate Republican primary When I ran as a conservative Black Republican in the 2004 election for the U.S. Senate in Georgia, the party faithful considered me as an outsider because I had not asked permission from the Republican Party leaders in Georgia, nor had I ever sought any elective office before. I won an impressive second place in the Republican Primary. It is this experience that has made me aware of the rising tide of the politically homeless. Democratic Party insiders are nearing political bankruptcy. I have seen how many Democratic candidates distort, ignore, and even change the facts to try to get elected. Although Republicans are not innocent in this regard, their political capital is on the rise. In fact, my own party has a unique opportunity to dominate the political landscape for decades if they do a better job of reaching out to the party outsiders with results, rather than waiting for outsiders to reach in. Source: They Think You're Stupid, by Herman Cain, p. xv-xvi , Jun 14, 2005

He went to an all black college, which I don't like

High school salutatorian; scholarship to Morehouse College I was accepted by several historically black colleges, and was even offered scholarships to most of them, because of my rank as salutatorian (2nd highest grades). I certainly was not offered the scholarships based on my standardized test scores, because they were consistently mediocre, as were the scores of most of my classmates. I had decided to attend Morehouse College because it was affordable, and I could commute by bus from home. Morehouse also awarded me a first-year tuition scholarship. Source: CEO of SELF, by Herman Cain, p. 9-10 , Aug 1, 2001

and he is apparently still for affirmative action.

It depends on what you mean by the term 'affirmative action' When I ran in the 2004 Republican U.S. Senate primary in Georgia, the majority of my support came from white Georgians, not urban Atlanta's African-Americans. Those who supported my campaign and voted for me embraced my issue-based campaign.

What did the media always want to ask me about? My position on affirmative action. My standard answer was, "It depends on what you mean by the term 'affirmative action'." That usually caused blank stares from the reporters and allowed me to turn the focus back on the big issues.

In the real world, the individuals who usually rise to the top of their chosen professions and achieve their dreams are the most talented and hardest working. In the political world, success is too often determined by political tenure, timing and factors none of us can control, such as our race, ethnicity or sex. Source: Political column, THE New Voice, "Diversity Distraction" , Jan 29, 2007

I oppose government-imposed hiring quotas
Though my positions on the political issues have wavered little throughout my life, I honestly did not realize I was a conservative until I began my campaign for US Senate. I am pro-life on the issue of abortion. I fully support the Second Amendment right to bear arms. I am opposed to a government-imposed quota system on hiring practices. I believe we must replace the out-of-date federal tax code, and I believe Congress must severely cut back on its wasteful spending. But I did not know the term conservative defined my belief system. Prior to initial consultations with my campaign consultants when I ran for US Senate in Georgia, no one had ever packaged my political views into a single term. Source: They Think You're Stupid, by Herman Cain, p. 21-26 , Jun 14, 2005

64 posted on 10/06/2011 5:19:25 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: normy

Normy, sounds like you just want to vote for the lesser of two evils. I for one have had to do that my entire adult life and I am sick and tired of it.

Cain has the best resume. Period

He has a history if taking failing organizations and turning them around. Growing them and creating jobs.

Romney has a history of buying businesses and flipping them for a profit once he lay’s people off and balances the sheets.

Perry has a history of “if its not broke don’t fixit”. He inherited a pretty strong state government and economy.

I would vote for either of these men over the empty suit that occupies 1600 Pennsylvania Ave today. However, during the primary I will vote for the man I prefer. After last night it became Cain.


80 posted on 10/06/2011 5:55:42 AM PDT by bbernard
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To: normy
Here's my problem with Cain. He is a political animal, he was running for office for a while now, he just lost. He went to an all black college, which I don't like and he is apparently still for affirmative action. I don't like crazy tax plans that probably will never pass anyway and I don't like people without records.

I can look at MItt and say he is a moderate to liberal Republican because his record says so. I can look at Perry and say he is a very social Conservative and he is not a tax raiser and he is a spending cutter, because of his record. I can point to flaws and positives in both. Cain is another unknown entity who speaks well and comes across as a decent man but he needs to be vetted like Mitt and Perry have been then we will see where he stands. right now he says the right things and is amiable but i don't know him and his record is invisible.

Excellent comparison, Normy. Such a breakdown of the candidates' records and issues is exactly how most voters will eventually decide upon their choice for nominee.

I really like Herman Cain after listening to him for years on WSB. He loves the free market and the unlimited opportunity it provides to individuals, and he's a gifted problem solver. He graduated from Morehouse, an exclusive all-male, 99.9% Black private college in Atlanta that has turned out generations of productive and successful men. He is long on executive experience but has not held elective office -- a clear drawback. And he will have to prove that he is ready to meet foreign policy challenges. I like Herman Cain, but I am still vetting him.

Your short analyses of Mitt Romney and Rick Perry are spot on, in my opinion. Both have extensive records of success as chief executives, and both have records as governors -- the best training ground for presidents. Despite a few warts, Perry has an outstanding record as a ten-year governor of the second-largest state which has its own unique foreign policy challenges. And between the two, Perry's history and his current positions on the broad range of Conservative issues are better.

As you say, we are still vetting...

92 posted on 10/06/2011 6:38:23 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: normy
I have no problem with vetting Cain... he needs the same scrutiny as the others. We may see someone new drafted and we may have a contested convention. I would actually like that... we need some intramural bloodshed to purge the spineless that are without ideology. I support Cain for now... things could change.

LLS

94 posted on 10/06/2011 6:41:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Is the person that you support a Crony Capitalist... A.K.A. CRAPITALIST?)
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To: normy

You need to find an written interview or video clip where he gives a detailed explanation of his thoughts on affirmative action. The press plays this game all the time. He gives a multi-layered response whenever he is asked this question. He is not “for affirmative action”.


96 posted on 10/06/2011 6:49:54 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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