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The Case Against Raising Cain
Human Events ^ | October 6, 2011 | Maggie Gallagher

Posted on 10/06/2011 1:09:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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1 posted on 10/06/2011 1:09:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“He refused to sign the Susan B. Anthony pro-life pledge because he said he objected on federalist grounds to a federal fetal pain protection bill.”

If you read my posts, you will see I am as anti-abortion as any poster here. But where in the constitution does congress get the power to regulate fetal pain? The police power (including regulation of morals) was clearly not delegated to the Federal Government in the Constitution. Abortion is quite clearly a matter for the states absent a constitution amendment giving the feds the power to get involved.

The Federal Government should just butt out of abortion altogether. I don’t believe a constitutional amendment authorizing federal regulation of abortion would ever pass. Thus, this is an issue we have to win on a state-by-state basis with incremental measures today and altogether after Roe vs Wade (a huge federal intrusion into state police power) is reversed.


2 posted on 10/06/2011 1:18:15 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

Do you think this is a fair article?


3 posted on 10/06/2011 1:31:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ModelBreaker
Abortion is quite clearly a matter for the states absent a constitution amendment giving the feds the power to get involved.

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I would agree with that but still, there is this video that makes me question Cain...where exactly is he. What do you get from it? (starts at the 3:47 mark)

Herman Cain/Stossel

4 posted on 10/06/2011 1:34:43 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s 2011 and special interest groups are still interested in fantasy Constitutional amendments and pledges? No wonder why we aren’t making any progress.


5 posted on 10/06/2011 1:35:33 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Herman Cain appears to be the “flavor of the week.” I know very little about him, but I read somewhere that he made some very unconservative statements over the last decade. Before people flame me, I don’t know whether it’s true or not. I’d like to learn more. You seem quite talented at finding and posting articles, and even though we don’t agree eye to eye on Perry, please see what you can dig up on Herman Cain. Where’s the evidence that he’s been consistently conservative over an extended period of time?


6 posted on 10/06/2011 1:50:45 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Aspire to be good!)
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Found this on another site today w/sources:

Later in the day, supporters of his who said no to this race baiting actually started researching him. The more they did, the worse he looks.

He says he believes in 2nd amendment but then says in same interview that gun legislation is a states rights issue. http://www.outsidethebeltway.c...

He’s also putting out there he was associated with the Fed for only one year. He was Deputy Chairman prior to that. Why hide that? Not to mention, why doesn’t he want to audit the Fed? Here he is saying this: http://www.economicpolicyjourn...

He’s also pro affirmative action even putting this on his web site when he was running for Georgia Senator. He also supported race-based quotas for college admissions and is for Fed intervention in the workplace on behalf of blacks and minorities. In his 2004 Senate race, he was even endorsed by Rainbow PUSH’s Southeastern Operations Director.

He backed the Wall Street bailout, or according to Cain, the “recovery plan,” as he called it on his radio show. Cain wrote that nationalizing banks “is not a bad thing.” He even went as far as criticizing opponents of the bailout, calling them “free market purists”

Cain also feels Bush was too conservative.

Can find the last few paragraph’s info here: http://christiancitizens.org/h...

Additionally, wondering where the stories are where he said he would not support Rick Perry if he was the nominee but he would support Romney who is certainly the more Liberal of the two also. Could it be because Romney owns Clear Channel Communications and could make or break Cain’s radio career?

If he’s in it to win it, why isn’t he attacking the front runner, Romney? Oh yeah, also supported Romeny in 2008.

He jumped on Perry before he had any information as to what really happened. He joined Sharpston and the libs, pulling the race card to advance himself, then when even Perry’s own critics defended him, Cain tried to back paddle and clean it up.

Too late. He showed himself.

“All I said was the mere fact that that word was there was ‘insensitive.’” Cain responded. “That’s not playing the race card. I am not attacking Gov. Perry. Some people in the media want to attack him. I’m done with that issue!”

Herman Cain lied. Here are Cain’s actual quotes:

1. And since Governor Perry has been going there for years to hunt, I think that shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and rename the place. It’s just a basic case of insensitivity.”

2. “For him to leave it there as long as he did before I hear that they finally painted over it is just plain insensitive to a lot of black people in this country,” Cain said.

Cain is doing this for political gain but worse he’s a race baiter plain and simple. It’s sad and disappointing.


7 posted on 10/06/2011 1:56:06 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He is our Obama. An untested candidate with a golden tongue; a blank slate upon whom we can hang our dreams --and fantasies. Social conservatives, be wary.

All conservatives be wary. Herman Cain may be able to talk a good game, but he has never played it. We have no idea how he would do in elective office.

Romney and Perry are easy to criticize because their records expose their weaknesses and mistakes. Cain surely has weaknesses, and he would have made mistakes in governing if he had ever done any of it. But he has no record for us to judge him by.

8 posted on 10/06/2011 1:59:05 AM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

BTW, I have studied his 9-9-9 tax plan, and it’s unconstitutional. Unless we also get a constitutional amendment that limits income taxes to 9% of income, no way!


9 posted on 10/06/2011 1:59:48 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Aspire to be good!)
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To: patriot08; Irish Rose; CitizenUSA; Irenic; ModelBreaker; ari-freedom; All

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2788319/posts?page=1

I just read the full article linked at the thread above. It’s a wonderful, heartfelt piece and if you haven’t read it, please do.


10 posted on 10/06/2011 2:05:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: CitizenUSA

I bet that if you were to do extensive polling, and if people told the truth, you’d find that most conservatives have an issue or two where they aren’t towing the conservative line.

So, to reject any particular candidate because they aren’t perfectly conservative or they’ve taken a position in times past that wasn’t perfectly conservative is inane, to say the least.


11 posted on 10/06/2011 2:24:30 AM PDT by Jonty30
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Considering facts in this article, could Sarah Palin have put Herman Cain on her ticket?


12 posted on 10/06/2011 2:27:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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I'm not rejecting any particular candidate because they aren't perfectly conservative. When I wrote, “no way,” I meant only for his 9-9-9 plan—not the candidate in general.

Frankly, I'm astonished by the FReepers who jump from candidate to candidate like butterflies flitting from flower to flower. Bottom line: I doubt most FReepers know more than a thing or two about Herman Cain. Governor Perry was (justifiably) ran through a conservative wringer. Why should Herman Cain get a pass simply because some FReepers think he's the One?

13 posted on 10/06/2011 2:37:31 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Aspire to be good!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I can see you have taken your Perry shilling to a whole ‘nother level - attacking Herman Cain to do Perry’s dirty laundry.


14 posted on 10/06/2011 2:37:32 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It was good, thanks for the link. The very last hit me, as small as it may sound...

“Wouldn’t it be nice to have a President who you didn’t have to worry was ruining the country every single minute?”

Since Obama has been in office I actually feel I must check the news or read the headlines every single day. I feel anxious if I don’t stay on top of it.

I have never been so obsessed with the news and politics in my life. While I don’t think I can ever go back to being casual about politics again, it sure would be nice not worry quite as much!

I sure look forward to 2012!


15 posted on 10/06/2011 2:41:58 AM PDT by Irenic
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Considering facts in this article, could Sarah Palin have put Herman Cain on her ticket?

You are pathetic. Palin just dropped out yesterday and like a vulture, you are already swooping down to try and make political points over her withdrawal. I'll wait to hear from Palin as to what she thinks. Not from you, an unprincipled former Rudy-bot who was applauding a Reagan-bashing just the other day.

I have my doubts about Cain, just as I had them about Perry. But your attacks on Cain make me think Cain might just be the better choice. Keep this crap up if you want to keep helping Cain bury Perry.

16 posted on 10/06/2011 2:43:21 AM PDT by dirtboy
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Ping to #7. Have you seen this stuff? I’m going to rethink him as my #2 choice.


17 posted on 10/06/2011 2:43:27 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: dirtboy
I can see you have taken your Perry shilling to a whole ‘nother level - attacking Herman Cain to do Perry’s dirty laundry.

Where and HOW have I attacked Herman Cain?

Is this a fair article?

18 posted on 10/06/2011 2:44:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You are so full of it. Your own words:

Considering facts in this article, could Sarah Palin have put Herman Cain on her ticket?

Nah, that's not an attack on Herman Cain.

Keep it up, shill. Your attacks only make me more willing to consider Cain. Because if an unprincipled hack like you sees fit to attack him, well, he must have something going for him.

19 posted on 10/06/2011 2:47:24 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

I’m interested in the answer to that question.

Will you answer it?

How is that an attack on Herman Cain?


20 posted on 10/06/2011 2:48:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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