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To: marbren

Marben,
GOD BLESS US ALL! My understanding is nothing. THe faith GOD put in me is the full WORD! I pray HE has you understand this meaning.

I understand the rapture. I am waiting HIS return. But not eagerly. Not wanting HIM to come quickly. Not at all. Only because in JOHN 10, there is sheep not of this fold that are being brought to HIM!! I can wait for them. I want to see as many people in heaven that is allowed. AMEN!!

John 10:16
16 And there are other sheep I have that are not of this fold, and I must lead these too. They too will listen to my voice, and there will be only one flock, one shepherd.

Rapture thought:
Matthew 16:28
28 In truth I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming with his kingdom.’

Remember JESUS tells us not to want HIM to come again so quick; as we will be judged. Some are not clean yet. Remember, it says, “ HE will make their robes white!!”. Which means that HE will clean us of our sins. WE cant be in front of GOD any other way. So, it’s better to wait.
Our faith is false if we can’t hold on and be in front of sin with not turning around. Or at least sin alot less than what we were doing before HE came sin our lives. HE has grace and mercy and looks at our hearts and understands when we are truly trying:

2 Peter 3:1-14
1 My dear friends, this is the second letter I have written to you, trying to awaken in you by my reminders an unclouded understanding.
2 Remember what was said in the past by the holy prophets and the command of the Lord and Saviour given by your apostles.
3 First of all, do not forget that in the final days there will come sarcastic scoffers whose life is ruled by their passions.
4 ‘What has happened to the promise of his coming?’ they will say, ‘Since our Fathers died everything has gone on just as it has since the beginning of creation!’
5 They deliberately ignore the fact that long ago there were the heavens and the earth, formed out of water and through water by the Word of God,
6 and that it was through these same factors that the world of those days was destroyed by the floodwaters.
7 It is the same Word which is reserving the present heavens and earth for fire, keeping them till the Day of Judgement and of the destruction of sinners.
8 But there is one thing, my dear friends, that you must never forget: that with the Lord, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
9 The Lord is not being slow in carrying out his promises, as some people think he is; rather is he being patient with you, wanting nobody to be lost and everybody to be brought to repentance.
10 The Day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then with a roar the sky will vanish, the elements will catch fire and melt away, the earth and all that it contains will be burned up.
11 Since everything is coming to an end like this, what holy and saintly lives you should be living
12 while you wait for the Day of God to come, and try to hasten its coming: on that Day the sky will dissolve in flames and the elements melt in the heat.
13 What we are waiting for, relying on his promises, is the new heavens and new earth, where uprightness will be at home.
14 So then, my dear friends, while you are waiting, do your best to live blameless and unsullied lives so that he will find you at peace.

The ones that will be raptured are the elect that are here. There arent that many. Being elect is a serious matter. Tell me if you know the difference before I go to explain! PRAISE JESUS!!

Look in the BIBLE to see people who were raptured/brought up to the LORD. Melchezidek, Elijah, Enoch,

Enoch:
Genesis 5:24
And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

ELIJAH
2 KINGS 2:11
Then it happened, as they (Elijah and Elisha) continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 2 Kings 2.11

Disciple John rapture to heaven to receive visions. There are other examples, but, John’s faith is a key to what to look for in people that will be raptured. Those raptureed ( and again, it’s not many) will have this trait. Really not many. Really not many. Remember John from all the 12 was the on Jesus loved. Remember the reason, and know that is the raptured. All mentioned above had this trait. It’s a trait of full LOVE of GOD. Sin is not even a thought after done, and the heart knows no hate at all, no bias, no prejudice, and no fear.
Most are just the mulititde that will suffer and robes made white ( sins be cleaned)and HE will wipe the tears from their eyes. If we look with a spiritual eye, we can see that many come to the church are like this.

It’s all heaven for all of those listed above, but if we are talking the rapture, then the elect is whose going. So, for many, like JESUS says, “ work out your own salvation”. People know their hearts. They know what they do in their lives ( actions when no ones there, thoughts and true feelings). So, they know if they can truly be raptured, saved, or even believe. That’s between them and GOD. But that person is easy to see by what they say and do. Good tree bares good fruit and bad tree bears bad fruit.

Does the church go through tribulation?? OF COURSE because JESUS DID! He is the church first.

James 1:2-4
My brothers, consider it a great joy when trials of many kinds come upon you,
3 for you well know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance, and
4 perseverance must complete its work so that you will become fully developed, complete, not deficient in any way.

Deny me they will deny you
2 Timothy 2:10-13
10 So I persevere for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they, too, may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 Here is a saying that you can rely on: If we have died with him, then we shall live with him.
12 If we persevere, then we shall reign with him. If we disown him, then he will disown us.
13 If we are faithless, he is faithful still, for he cannot disown his own self.

We will lightly go through what HE went through. Just to plant a seed can seem like a lot of tribulation. If you do ministry to non-believer, it can get ulgy. Unfortunatly with even “ believers” it can be worse. LOL!! unfortunately. Thats when there is spiritual tribulation, because we ( believers. Meaning those that even mention HIS HOLY NAME) are all supposed to love one another. Only GOD knows our hearts.
The sheep, pastors, ministers,etc.. are all sinners. They will sin. It’s GOD’s law. Keeps us humble and should keep us from judging and hating one another ( if we believe). When people start to point out their sins in public, it’s really sad, because that means that person or people who are pointing are forgetting that they are sinning/sinners. And though people dont see it, GOD DOES!!
Look at the world and see how GOD pays back those that point. It’s really harsh the way HE does it. Thats why its better to let HIM do it, and not do it ourselves. The way HE does it, we can never do it. HE may use some of us to do it, but we usually dont realize it. For those that make it their business to do it, then HE is just leaving that person to their desire to deliver an eye for an eye. To see when GOD leaves people stuck in their desires and allows them minister the WORD is very spiritually painful. Painful to see because those people GOD is just using and leaving them where they truly want to be. They sound very loving at one point then depending on the sin that heart them some where in life, they go off on a tangent and their ministry becomes bias, prejudices, and forms of hate. These are the people JESUS says, “ I never knew you, away from me HE that works iniquity!!”. VERY PAINFUL to see. It’s showing GOD is a respector of no man.

Examples.
1. There will be politicians that tell slander certain sins, then get caught doing it.
2. There will be people that talk against priests or men of the faith, then later end up doing the same things or other things. Or even friends that talk against what people do and then later we see them doing the same thing ( many of us have seen or been a part of that some where in our lives! Praise JESUS we are out of that!! I pray we are!!)
4. There will be weather men who say the BIBLE doesnt know everything, then they cant even predict the weather any more......and so on.....

So, it’s all funny.

We are just supposed to be trying to be the multiitude in white. Trying to clean ourselves in our everyday lives before HIM, love everyone, stay away from sin, spread HIS HOLY WORD, and praise HIS HOLY NAME in and through all things. HE IS GLORIOUS!!

GOD is a respector of no man:
Romans 2:11
11 There is no favouritism with God.
Deuteronomy 10:17
17 for Yahweh your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, triumphant and terrible, free of favouritism, never to be bribed.

Without love ministry is nothing
1 Corinthians 13:2
2 And though I have the power of prophecy, to penetrate all mysteries and knowledge, and though I have all the faith necessary to move mountains — if I am without love, I am nothing.

All who use HIS holy name are family:
Mark 9:38-41
38 John said to him, ‘Master, we saw someone who is not one of us driving out devils in your name, and because he was not one of us we tried to stop him.’
39 But Jesus said, ‘You must not stop him; no one who works a miracle in my name could soon afterwards speak evil of me.
40 Anyone who is not against us is for us.

Even though they are family, GOD knows who is HIS. No need to worry about false prophets who mention HIS HOLY NAME, because many will call HIS holy name but truly have evil intentions and desires ( like fame, always wanting to be right, wanting to control people, using ministry to abuse people for money, emotions, etc..). HE will handle them. We just need clean ourselves, spread HIS WORD in love, and do all HE says till HE comes again:

Matthew 7:20-23
20 I repeat, you will be able to tell them by their fruits.
21 ‘It is not anyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” who will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in heaven.
22 When the day comes many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, drive out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?”
23 Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, all evil doers!

IN THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST!! AMEN!!

jesus4life


117 posted on 10/07/2011 11:32:21 AM PDT by jesus4life
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To: jesus4life
Thank You jesus4life for your perspective!

We just need clean ourselves, spread HIS WORD in love, and do all HE says till HE comes again:

IMHO it is trust and obey. Obedience is automatic. Without Faith it is impossible to obey. Grace works not us. We rest. God is the Pilot I am not the copilot I am the passenger. We are all the same. We are all poor miserable sinners in need of a Savior. We are beggars for grace.

Matthew 11:28 (NIV) Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Psalm 23 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

118 posted on 10/07/2011 12:20:36 PM PDT by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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