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To: The Theophilus

You can assume what you want. The bible is a tremendous collection of writings and philosophies as well as teachings that were in part inspired by historical events and I have no doubt inspired by deep religious beliefs and convictions; inspired by God in us and with us without a doubt. The writings provide paths, examples of living and lessons that serve us all through the ages. They were not one set of books, teachings or ideals until the near modern era and were not coalesced into an agreed to text until Constantine convened a council to decide which of the many books and writings were worthy of the faith and which were not. Again, various versions were still in circulation up to the time when King James again convened a council to revise it once again. The bible in all of its versions and forms as well as the writings and teachings that were not included have all been written by MEN. If you want to believe that they were directed by God to bring about these revisions then that is your right. I don’t believe they were and while the old testament is an inspiring book of teachings it is the word of God according to men and particularly the men who wrote them. God has the ability to make anything happen along any timeline He so desires and that include creating other universes along with other intelligent beings. The men who wrote that creation took seven days had no concept of extended time and space but that does not imply that God is limited to seven days. They did, however, presume to know the mind of God. I see God in the wonders of the natural world as well as the complex evolution of life on this earth. Will we as men ever understand everything? No, but God gave us the inquisitive nature and desire to discern as much as possible of God’s universe and wonders. God is capable of anything which is beyond the minds of the men who wrote the words in a context that they could understand. Study to your hearts content but the originals as you call them were finally written down in many versions after centuries of oral tradition maintained by many mortal men.


112 posted on 10/05/2011 7:05:50 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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angels ( whether from GOD or not) love to do their little shows here and there. They are funny in a glorious, mysterious, and powerful way. As GOD has give them more power than us ( for a time). So, they can definitely make us think more than what is there.

Its very natural for us when we see them to call them aliens or whatever. They are alien to us. Definitely. GOD is alien to us, thats why we cant obey all HE wants. The angels live to adore GOD, so, they amaze us, enlightened, and edify us. The other angels live to follow “ the other one”, so, the evil actions amaze and defile us. Both are complete extreme things.

But, be careful of evil teachings my friends ( Pharisees) as they love to take words from the Bible and flip/play with them. The word “ alien” in the bible just meant a stranger, or someone on this earth, but not a native of your land. Be careful and very aware.

Complete and extreme actions will always throw humans in a world of confusion. This is only because humans are imperfect. Anything that is perfect to a human is another world. Anything that does live perfectly will always make a human be confused and think “ other worldly”. This is only Because humans can not live perfectly. This will make humans ( without faith) fearful, paranoid, or skeptic.

Just enjoy what we can not do, touch, or see. Better to focus on getting ourselves together (through worshipping the Father, believing and following Jesus, and listening to the Holy Spirit), so that we dont devour ourselves. Soon we will find out ( some of us) what is out there if we keep devouring ourselves ( as Jesus says we will). Try not to be the ones devouring. Love all people.

Passages:

No worship of the universe, angels, sceience, man...i.e. idols. But, dont look down on them. Learn from them and make sure all you learn match up with the WORD.
Deuteronomy 4:15-20
15 ‘Hence, be very careful what you do. Since you saw no shape that day at Horeb when Yahweh spoke to you from the heart of the fire,
16 see that you do not corrupt yourselves by making an image in the shape of anything whatever: be it statue of man or of woman,
17 or of any animal on the earth, or of any bird that flies in the heavens,
18 or of any reptile that crawls on the ground, or of any fish in the waters under the earth.
19 When you raise your eyes to heaven, when you see the sun, the moon, the stars — the entire array of heaven — do not be tempted to worship them and serve them. Yahweh your God has allotted these to all the other peoples under heaven,
20 but Yahweh has chosen you, bringing you out of the iron-foundry, Egypt, to be his own people, his own people as you still are today.

Luke 21:25-28
25 ‘There will be signs in the sun and moon and stars; on earth nations in agony, bewildered by the turmoil of the ocean and its waves;
26 men fainting away with terror and fear at what menaces the world, for the powers of heaven will be shaken.
27 And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 When these things begin to take place, stand erect, hold your heads high, because your liberation is near at hand.’

Colossians 2:18-19
18 Do not be cheated of your prize by anyone who chooses to grovel to angels and worship them, pinning every hope on visions received, vainly puffed up by a human way of thinking;
19 such a person has no connection to the Head, by which the whole body, given all that it needs and held together by its joints and sinews, grows with the growth given by God.

1 Corinthians 1:25-31

Dont Worship the angels because they are not perfect
Job 4:18
18 God cannot rely even on his own servants, even with his angels he finds fault.

Angels of GOD
Genesis 28:12
12 He had a dream: there was a ladder, planted on the ground with its top reaching to heaven; and God’s angels were going up and down on it.

Power of GOD through HIS angels to choose for the kingdom
Matthew 13:41-42
41 The Son of man will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of falling and all who do evil,
42 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and grinding of teeth.

Power of GOD through His angels brought humility, joy, instruction, and definitley taught man a lesson and invoked fear. But man was very wicked and was devouring themselves as well.

LOT ( Sodom and Gemorrah)

1 When the two angels reached Sodom in the evening, Lot was sitting at the gate of Sodom. As soon as Lot saw them, he stood up to greet them, and bowed to the ground.
2 ‘My lords,’ he said, ‘please come down to your servant’s house to stay the night and wash your feet. Then you can make an early start on your journey.’ ‘No,’ they said, ‘we shall spend the night in the square.’3 But he pressed them so much that they went home with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking unleavened bread, and they had supper.
4 They had not gone to bed when the house was surrounded by the townspeople, the men of Sodom both young and old, all the people without exception.
5 Calling out to Lot they said, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Send them out to us so that we can have intercourse with them.’
6 Lot came out to them at the door and, having shut the door behind him,
7 said, ‘Please, brothers, do not be wicked.
8 Look, I have two daughters who are virgins. I am ready to send them out to you, for you to treat as you please, but do nothing to these men since they are now under the protection of my roof.’
9 But they retorted, ‘Stand back! This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge. Now we shall treat you worse than them.’ Then they forced Lot back and moved forward to break down the door.
10 But the men reached out, pulled Lot back into the house with them, and shut the door.
11 And they dazzled those who were at the door of the house, one and all, with a blinding light, so that they could not find the doorway.
12 The men said to Lot, ‘Have you anyone else here? Your sons, your daughters and all your people in the city, take them away,
13 for we are about to destroy this place, since the outcry to Yahweh against those in it has grown so loud that Yahweh has sent us to destroy it.’
14 So Lot went off and spoke to his future sons-in-law who were to marry his daughters. ‘On your feet!’ he said, ‘Leave this place, for Yahweh is about to destroy the city.’ But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.
15 When dawn broke the angels urged Lot on, ‘To your feet! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away in the punishment of the city.’
16 And as he hesitated, the men seized his hand and the hands of his wife and his two daughters — Yahweh being merciful to him — and led him out and left him outside the city.
17 When they had brought him outside, he was told, ‘Flee for your life. Do not look behind you or stop anywhere on the plain. Flee to the hills or you will be swept away.’
18 ‘Oh no, my lord!’ Lot said to them,
19 ‘You have already been very good to your servant and shown me even greater love by saving my life, but I cannot flee to the hills, or disaster will overtake me and I shall die.
20 That town over there is near enough to flee to, and is small. Let me flee there-after all it is only a small place — and so survive.’
21 He replied, ‘I grant you this favour too, and will not overthrow the town you speak of.
22 Hurry, flee to that one, for I cannot do anything until you reach it.’ That is why the town is named Zoar.
23 The sun rose over the horizon just as Lot was entering Zoar.
24 Then Yahweh rained down on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire of his own sending.
25 He overthrew those cities and the whole plain, with all the people living in the cities and everything that grew there.
26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and was turned into a pillar of salt.

Angels of satan that left GOD, are the key to humans being fooled, and will die with satan
Revelation 12:9
9 The great dragon, the primeval serpent, known as the devil or Satan, who had led all the world astray, was hurled down to the earth and his angels were hurled down with him.

Use of the word “ alien “

Exodus 12:48
New Jerusalem Catholic Bible
48 Should a stranger residing with you wish to keep the Passover in honour of Yahweh, all the males of his household must be circumcised: he will then be allowed to keep it and will count as a citizen of the country. But no uncircumcised person may eat it.
New Revised Standard bible same verse:
48 If an alien who resides with you wants to celebrate the passover to the LORD, all his males shall be circumcised; then he may draw near to celebrate it; he shall be regarded asa native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it
King James Version
48And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

there are more examples, but that is one.
2 Corinthians 11:13-16
Be careful of false teachers and prophets ( Pharisees)
13 These people are counterfeit apostles, dishonest workers disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
14 There is nothing astonishing in this; even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
15 It is nothing extraordinary, then, when his servants disguise themselves as the servants of uprightness. They will come to the end appropriate to what they have done.
16 To repeat: let no one take me for a fool, but if you do, then treat me as a fool, so that I, too, can do a little boasting.

complete and out of our control actions that make us think “ outerworldly”, but nothing is happening
Jeremiah 10
1 Listen, House of Israel, to the word that Yahweh addresses to you. Yahweh says this:
2 ‘Do not learn the ways of the nations or take alarm at the heavenly signs, alarmed though the nations may be at them.
3 Yes, the customs of the peoples are quite futile: wood, nothing more, cut out of a forest, worked with a blade by a carver’s hand,
4 then embellished with silver and gold, then fastened with hammer and nails to keep it from moving.
5 Like scarecrows in a melon patch, they cannot talk, they have to be carried, since they cannot walk. Have no fear of them: they can do no harm — nor any good either!’
6 Yahweh, there is no one like you, so great you are, so great your mighty name.
7 Who would not revere you, King of nations? Yes, this is your due. Since of all the wise among the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is not a single one like you.
8 All of them are brutish and stupid: the Futile Ones’ teaching is but wood,
9 silver leaf imported from Tarshish and gold from Ophir, the work of carver or goldsmith; then dressed up in violet and purple, all the work of skilled men.
10 But Yahweh is the true God. He is the living God, the everlasting King. The earth quakes when he is wrathful, the nations cannot endure his fury.
11 ‘Tell them this, “The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth will vanish from the earth and from under these heavens.” ‘
12 By his power he made the earth, by his wisdom set the world firm, but his discernment spread out the heavens.
13 When he thunders there is a roaring of waters in heaven; he raises clouds from the remotest parts of the earth, makes the lightning flash for the downpour, and brings the wind from his storehouse.
14 At this all people stand stupefied, uncomprehending, every goldsmith blushes for his idols; his castings are but delusion, with no breath in them.
15 They are futile, a laughable production; when the time comes for them to be punished, they will vanish.
16 The Heritage of Jacob is not like these, for he is the maker of everything, and Israel is the tribe that is his heritage. His name is Yahweh Sabaoth.
17 Pick up your pack from the ground, you the besieged!
18 For Yahweh says this, ‘Now I shall throw out the inhabitants of the country, this time, and bring distress on them, so that they may find me!’
19 Disaster is on me! What a wound! My injury is incurable! And I used to think, ‘If this is the worst, I can bear it!’
20 But now my tent is destroyed, all my ropes are snapped, my sons have left me and are no more; no one is left to put my tent up again or to hang the side-cloths.
21 The shepherds are the ones who have been stupid: they have not searched for Yahweh. This is why they have not prospered and why their whole flock has been dispersed.
22 Listen! A terrible noise! A mighty uproar from the land of the north to reduce the towns of Judah to desert, to a lair for jackals!
23 I know, Yahweh, no one’s course is in his control, nor is it in anyone’s power, as he goes his way, to guide his own steps.
24 Correct me, Yahweh, but with moderation, not in your anger, or you will reduce me to nothing.
25 Pour out your anger on the nations who do not acknowledge you, and on the families that do not call on your name, for they have devoured Jacob, have devoured and made an end of him and reduced his home to desolation.

stay focused on HIM

1 JOHN 5:1-5
1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, and whoever loves the father loves the son.
2 In this way we know that we love God’s children, when we love God and keep his commandments.
3 This is what the love of God is: keeping his commandments. Nor are his commandments burdensome,
4 because every child of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith.
5 Who can overcome the world but the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Love all people no matter what, this is how we wont devour ourselves or be the ones devouring. Stay in HIS love and glory through honoring and obeying what HE says.

26 ‘Alas for you when everyone speaks well of you! This was the way their ancestors treated the false prophets.

27 ‘But I say this to you who are listening: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who treat you badly.

29 To anyone who slaps you on one cheek, present the other cheek as well; to anyone who takes your cloak from you, do not refuse your tunic.

30 Give to everyone who asks you, and do not ask for your property back from someone who takes it.

31 Treat others as you would like people to treat you.

32 If you love those who love you, what credit can you expect? Even sinners love those who love them.

33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit can you expect? For even sinners do that much.

34 And if you lend to those from whom you hope to get money back, what credit can you expect? Even sinners lend to sinners to get back the same amount.

35 Instead, love your enemies and do good to them, and lend without any hope of return. You will have a great reward, and you will be children of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

36 ‘Be compassionate just as your Father is compassionate.

37 Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven.

38 Give, and there will be gifts for you: a full measure, pressed down, shaken together, and overflowing, will be poured into your lap; because the standard you use will be the standard used for you.’

39 He also told them a parable, ‘Can one blind person guide another? Surely both will fall into a pit?

40 Disciple is not superior to teacher; but fully trained disciple will be like teacher.

41 Why do you observe the splinter in your brother’s eye and never notice the great log in your own?

42 How can you say to your brother, “Brother, let me take out that splinter in your eye,” when you cannot see the great log in your own? Hypocrite! Take the log out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly enough to take out the splinter in your brother’s eyes.

43 ‘There is no sound tree that produces rotten fruit, nor again a rotten tree that produces sound fruit.

44 Every tree can be told by its own fruit: people do not pick figs from thorns, nor gather grapes from brambles.

45 Good people draw what is good from the store of goodness in their hearts; bad people draw what is bad from the store of badness. For the words of the mouth flow out of what fills the heart.

46 ‘Why do you call me, “Lord, Lord” and not do what I say?

47 ‘Everyone who comes to me and listens to my words and acts on them — I will show you what such a person is like.

48 Such a person is like the man who, when he built a house, dug, and dug deep, and laid the foundations on rock; when the river was in flood it bore down on that house but could not shake it, it was so well built.

49 But someone who listens and does nothing is like the man who built a house on soil, with no foundations; as soon as the river bore down on it, it collapsed; and what a ruin that house became!’


113 posted on 10/05/2011 9:58:31 AM PDT by jesus4life
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