Then, why educate these children in our high schools? The high school education has no purpose.
What it comes down to is you are trying to punish the children for the actions of the parent. In that way you are trying to punish the parent through their children. Our society should never stoop to such tactics. We are too civil of a society and have never acted in such a low handed way before. As conservatives, we get a bad name when we call for such action.
So if a child of an illegal parent graduates from a high school with a 4.0 gradepoint, shouldn’t that achievement be rewarded with the same opportunity the rest of the students who have similar achievement?
The minority status treatment I agree is unfair. All of it. I don’t understand it and some day, this progressive smut on our society will be cleaned up by good people who know true fairness.
The true unfairness is we have not sealed our border so that good citizens have their society disrupted by the negligent control of the population. That illegal parents expose their children to the risk of consequence is a recklessness I find objectionable. They would not have acted with such a risk if the border was not so easy to cross and the society they found was not so civil.
The bottom line is that in order to have a civil society, we have to make some trade-offs that challenge us.
So....Okay,..... I'll support in-state tuition for illegals on the same day that the children of illegals are barred from government K-12 schools. And...If a parent illegally attempts to enroll their child in K-12, they are arrested and convicted as a felon and serve hard time for stealing **thousands** of dollars from the taxpayer.
I'll support in-state tuition for illegals on the same day that illegals are barred from every social service in this state. No more food stamps, or Section-8 housing vouchers, or free trips to the emergency room.
I'll support in-state tuition for illegals on the same day that when an invalid social security number is phoned in, the police show up 3 minutes later.
Is it a deal?
How we run immigration is CRUEL! **YOU** are the person who is being CRUEL! This is what I have learned over the years:
— Bigamy. Many of the men have two families. One is in the U.S. and the other is completely abandoned in Latin America. I personally have watched as men and women try to arrange divorces over international borders.
-—If it can be complicated here in the U.S., it is even more expensive and difficult across international borders. As a result, the women left behind in the home country are in the sad state of not being able to legally remarry. ( There are few men left in the villages to marry anyway!)
— Whole towns and villages decimated of their men between the ages of 15 and 50.
— The women, children, and elderly in these villages beg their men to come home. They are **defenseless** against predation of many kinds.
— The children who are brought here as young children speak Spanish with difficulty, and culturally have no connection with their home country but are condemned to a shadow life here.
— Because so many men are in the U.S., many women have no hope of ever marrying.
— The brightest, most aggressive, and creative men and women are in this nation. These are the very people who would be facing down corruption if they were in their home country. A corrupt Mexico **hurts** the U.S. too! A less corrupt Mexico would benefit us.
— Most of the families we work with have some siblings that are U.S. citizens and some that are illegal. That makes for some very interesting sibling rivalries.
— None of the illegal children have any contact or relationship with their extended families in their home country. In the meantime, their U.S. siblings freely cross the boarder to spend whole summers with grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins.
How do I know that the above is true?
My husband and I are fluent in Spanish. I would translate, on occasion for the illegal community in Maryland when we lived there for 18 years. Now, in this state, our church leaders have asked us to join the Spanish speaking congregation and we have been members there for 3 years. We run the Cub Scout program and help out with missionary work when needed. I also give free piano/keyboard lessons to the kids in the congregation.
Well...CRUEL people ( for all the reasons stated in the previous post) will say ..”It's only fair that we extend citizenship now. We paid all that money for their education. They are ambitious and upright young adults. They are assets to the country...etc.”
Then then the CRUEL people will say, “It isn't **FAIR**! Some kids are hardworking and good contributors to the community but aren't ‘college material’. It isn't FAIR that some get citizenship but others don't.”
Then the CRUEL people will say, “Sure they are not going to post-high school training, but they have a job and are high school graduates. Why should their sibling get citizenship but they don't.”
Then the CRUEL people will say, “ They've been in this country 3 , 5, 10 years. We can't send them back!”
It is CRUEL for all the reasons stated in my previous post, to encourage parents to bring illegal children into the U.S. In state tuition does **exactly** that!
I post this, as a person who loves the Spanish speaking community in our county, and who works closely with them, visits their homes weekly, has them to her own home several times a week, and prays with them every Sunday and other times throughout the week.
What you're puking up here is Obamas lame line of shared sacrifice.
Thats nothing but bull crap.
What you're calling punishment isn't punishment at all. Lets remove Jose for a moment.
Lets make this between you and me.
Lets say you come from a functional family. Mom and dad work. Pay bills. Do some wise financial planning. Do a good job raising you, and then put you through school.
My parents were divorced, my mom did the best she could, and did a good job, but she could not afford to put me through school.
Now lets say you and I have equal grades, but your parents can afford to put you through school and my mom can't. Am I being punished???
NOOOOOO!!!
Lifes hard. Sometimes its harder for some than others. Thats really what life is.
Maybe your parents did wise financial planning. That takes sacrifice. That takes time to plan. That takes money that could be spent for leisure or pleasure, and instead invested. My dad did none of those things. My mom did the best to her ability. So where your parents sacrificed early on, it paid off later, in the form of your education. My dad failed to sacrifice at all, so when it came time for me to go to school no such luck.
You said "So if a child of an illegal parent graduates from a high school with a 4.0 gradepoint, shouldn’t that achievement be rewarded with the same opportunity the rest of the students who have similar achievement?"
Life OWES nobody. Maybe in kindergarten everybody gets equal milk and cookies. But this is the real world. This is time to man up and be an adult. LIFE doesn't present equal opportunities. And the opportunities it does offer aren't always at convenient times for us. Success isn't about getting EQUAL opportunities. Its about taking advantage of the opportunities presented. Success is also about making your own opportunities when none or few are presented.
What you want is magic world. Where everybody sings Kumbaya and is happy and skittles fall from the sky. You want everybody equally "lucky" with equal outcomes. Well, what some call Luck, is what others call hard work.
The harder you work, the luckier you get.
Luck is where preperation meet hard work.
There is one other key factor here. Its called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
Personal responsibility says "this is my life, not my parents." "I AM responsible for me." "I AM responsible for my happiness." "I AM responsible for my success" (or lack thereof).
Personal responsibility is accepting where you are in life and moving on from there.
These are no longer children, they are 17-18 year old adults. Its time they start acting like it. If they want success, they must go out and earn it.
Punishment suggests taking away something that should be their's. Their parents never worked to be part of the system, so they never provided the opportunities others had. If these young adults are "punished" its by the lack of planning on the parents part. The parents failed the kids.