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How Illegal Immigration Destroyed America's Economy
Vanity | 9-30-11 | Dangus

Posted on 09/30/2011 6:52:50 AM PDT by dangus

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To: dangus

An interesting point, and one I was not aware of. Had no idea that there was even a category of “language minorities”, much less a law that they had to be given loans.


21 posted on 09/30/2011 7:31:20 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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This happened 10's of thousads of times.

Staff Reporter on 06/02/08
Husband And Wife Plead Guilty To Massive Florida Straw Buyer Scheme

Juan and Rachael Torrens pled guilty to conspiracy charges in connection with their participation in a recent multi-million dollar mortgage fraud scheme in South Florida. The defendants acknowledged as part of their guilty plea that their scheme produced over $15,000,000 in fraudulent loans, and resulted in losses of over $5,000,000 to various lenders. With Juan and Rachael Torrens‘ guilty pleas, 15 of the original 31 defendants charged have pled guilty.

As previously reported by Mortgage Fraud Blog, defendants Juan Torrens, the de facto owner of Amsouth Trust & Investment Corp. (”Amsouth”) and president of Countryside Land & Development, Inc., Rachael Torrens, president of 1st Choice Realty of South Florida, Inc. and de facto owner of First United Mortgage USA Corp., Daniel Ramos, Alfonso A. Muxo, a State of Florida certified real estate appraiser and owner of Palm Bay Real Estate Appraisals, Inc., and Katherine Harris, former president and part owner of Floridian Home Title Corporation, were charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and/or wire fraud for their participation in this massive mortgage fraud scheme.

The scheme involved fraudulent mortgage loans obtained for the purchase of 28 properties located in Miami-Dade and Broward Counties, Florida, and in the City of Marco Island. All except Katherine Harris have already pled guilty, and are awaiting sentence.

The Indictment also charges defendants Mario E. Diaz, Aurelio Pozo, Oscar Barreiro, Lellany Rordriguez, Jose Asensi, Carlos Morales, Damaris Jimenez, Lizabeth Perez, Mario Blanco, Rene Rodriguez, Tamaris Angulo, Alicia Loaiza, Ester Crespo, Jesus Enrique Guevara, Janette Lugo, Priscilla Fleitas, Erick Clavijo, Luis DeJesus Planas, Moises Llorens, Milva Roque, Aurora Ramentol, Gladys Lens, Nancy Fundora, Yanny Cruz Pavon, Roger Rosario and Jacqueline Perez-Castillo ("the straw buyer defendants") with wire fraud for their participation in this mortgage fraud scheme.

To date, guilty pleas have been entered by defendants Aurelio Pozo, Oscar Barreiro, Carlos Morales, Damaris Jimenez, Mario Blanco, Jesus Enrique Guevara, Janette Lugo, Priscilla Fleitas, Moises Llorens, Gladys Lens, and Roger Rosario.

According to the Indictment, Juan Torrens would identify sellers of residential properties who were willing to overstate the true selling price of their properties. Daniel Ramos and Juan Torrens would then recruit and pay the straw buyer defendants to pose as buyers and ostensibly participate in the purchase of the selected properties.

Defendants Rachael Torrens and Juan Torrens would prepare fraudulent mortgage loan applications for the straw purchasers that included false employment verifications, pay stubs, income and funds on deposit, and IRS Forms W-2.

Thereafter, to support the overstated sales prices on the properties and the fraudulent mortgage applications, defendant Alonso A. Muxo would prepare fraudulent appraisals attesting to the inflated property values dictated by Juan Torrens. Roger Rosario, an employee of Regions Bank, assisted the fraud by providing, on at least one occasion, a fraudulent verification of deposit in connection with a mortgage loan application for one of the straw buyer defendants.

To effectuate the scheme, defendants Juan Torrens and Rachael Torrens, together with the straw buyer defendants, would create and submit to the banks and lending institutions HUD-Settlement Statement Forms, also known as HUD-1s, which falsely stated that the straw buyers brought their own funds to the closings.

Once the mortgage applications were approved, the lenders would wire the loan proceeds to the title company, Floridian Home Title, for closing.

At closing, Amsouth, a company owned and controlled by Juan Torrens, would receive a credit for the difference between the inflated price and the actual selling price of the property. Defendants Juan and Rachael Torrens would make the payments on the mortgage loans to maintain the loans afloat until the properties could be resold again, often to another straw buyer. When the Torrenses failed to make payments on the loans, some properties went into foreclosure, resulting in substantial losses to the lending institutions.

SOURCE http://www.mortgagefraudblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/ husband_and_wife_plead_guilty_to_massive_florida_straw_buyer_scheme/

22 posted on 09/30/2011 7:32:56 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: dangus
Alabama's new law was upheld by the Federal court and our manufacturing plant lost 8 workers the next day.

One of them told me in Spanish that he was going to Tennessee.

All these guys were cleared by e-verify so that system is worthless.

23 posted on 09/30/2011 7:32:59 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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The subprime mortgage meltdown is attributed to illegal invaders fraudulently getting loans with stolen identities. No questions asked about citizenship status, employment, etc----- if they could breathe and make an X, they got a mortgage.

The conniving illegals then flipped the mortgaged houses among relatives at higher and higher prices.......the last relative absconds to Mexico with loads of cash, leaving banks (and taxpayers) holding the bag.

The buzz is Mexico actually ran newspaper ads on how to get free US housing.

CNBC featured an illegal who mowed lawns for a living who got a mortgage on a luxurious home by lying about his salary on the mortgage app. Then came the R/E bust. Naturally he couldn't keep up the payments---and had to move out.

Sub-prime villains are those who focused on short-term gains, and cared less about the long-term damage done to real estate markets, banks, lawyers, appraisers, accountants, auditors........... and the American economy.

No one has yet been held responsible and served any serious jail time or been stripped of fraudulently acquired assets. Some specific people surface---- getting the credit they deserve for promoting, then trashing the real estate business, and creating the unsustainable mortgage securitization business model.

24 posted on 09/30/2011 7:33:56 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: dangus
Then the housing market stalled. Now banks weren't guaranteed to recoup delinquent mortgages by selling the house at prices higher than the mortgage value. But the banks COULDN'T just quit lending to "langauge minorities." They quit lending altogether. Declines in house prices accelerated.

Very carefully ignores the rather important fact that the housing market of the time was a bubble largely created by the influx of money generated by these exact programs.

IOW, the prices were artificially high.

The way this is worded, had these programs never existed the real estate market would still have boomed, it just never would have crashed. Which is utter nonsense.

25 posted on 09/30/2011 7:46:15 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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How Illegal Immigration Destroyed America's Economy Add to that the 140,000 visa workers per month, every month, for a whole decade, and there's another 16.8 million qualified American workers replaced by less qualified, but cheaper imported workers.

The flow of imported workers has slowed slightly to 120,000 or 130,000 per month, but the bleeding of the US carcass continues.

26 posted on 09/30/2011 7:47:10 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: dangus
Bush's fault!

Actually, all these Globalists sellouts are responsible

These men have worked for the last 30 years to ruin America and they've done a helluva job!

27 posted on 09/30/2011 7:51:55 AM PDT by Roninf5-1
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Bush's fault!

Actually, all these Globalists sellouts are responsible

These men have worked for the last 30 years to ruin America and they've done a helluva job!

28 posted on 09/30/2011 7:52:11 AM PDT by Roninf5-1
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While no contributing factor mentioned is false, eg; I agree they all DID contribute to the SCALE of the problem, there is one linchpin causative factor which I believe has been left out, which could have happened without a SINGLE illegal immigrant, with ANY market for CDOs, and even without the “offloading” entities known as Fannie and Freddie. And that is banking control fraud. The guy who can explain all of this far better than I can is Bill Black, who successfully prosecuted and secured convictions and jail time for over 1,000 banking CEOs during the S&L crisis on the early 90’s. There are a fairly large number of interviews of him on YouTube. The link below to a particular Max Keiser > Bill Black interview which I believe is one of the better explanations of the whole picture in one place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdWo9Ob2DHc

The name of this game is “bankruptcy for profit”.


29 posted on 09/30/2011 8:02:10 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Madoff screwed the rich. Bernanke screwed us all.)
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To: PALIN SMITH

And who is responsible for ‘pc’? Our govennment, mainly
our Congress. It is our government that has and is destroying not only our economy but our country.

And who is doing nothing about illegal’s? Our government. Unless and until our government ‘repents’ and admits failure nothing positive will ever happen.


30 posted on 09/30/2011 8:05:26 AM PDT by mulligan
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It was a bad bill, and Gramm was officially partly responsible for it, so I’m not going to try to convince you Gramm was a good guy.

Bad Bill?!?!?!
Gramm, Leach, Bliley was a disaster!!! Add in Treas. Sec. Rubin and you have cronyism writ large.

31 posted on 09/30/2011 8:05:41 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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I just blamed the bill as the key focus on the destruction of the American economy, and you’re going to lecture me that the bill was a disaster???


32 posted on 09/30/2011 8:07:18 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Actually, I was leaning more toward the cronyism aspect. Still, “bad bill” I thought was a bit of an understatement.


33 posted on 09/30/2011 8:13:30 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Re-read “Democracy in America,” and consider what you’ve just written. YES, bank fraud happened on a massive scale. And yes, we should hunt down those who committed it. But I’m trying to explain how bank fraud suddenly infected our system, how our laws created a massive incentive to try to get away with bank fraud, and what exactly the fraud constituted.

“Fraud” is such a broad word as to be useless as a diagnostic tool in figuring out what went wrong. What happened is that we created a system where mortgage delinquencies were certain to take place, and worse, we knew we were motivating them to take place. And then we bought off the people who would complain about the mortgage delinquencies, the banks, and worked bought them off with a scheme that enables them to profit off the delinquencies. And we did this all in an environment which makes the American people the ultimate insurer of bad debt. Then we wonder why people engaged in fraud? We made fraud more profitable than honesty.

And that’s contradicting precisely what de Tocqueville recognized as the brilliance in the American system: that we govern not by making people fearful of their rulers (and by “we govern,” I mean the American people and our system of laws, not the con men we’ve elected to interpret, enumerate, execute, and implement those laws). Rather, we govern by permitting people to pursue their own “selfish” interests in the confidence that no-one has the power to abuse or pervert others’ interests in any manner which is both systemically wide and prevailing.

You can’t govern by creating incentives to cheat, and try to dissuade the cheaters with ineffective threats of punishment.


34 posted on 09/30/2011 8:18:58 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Mikey_1962

As for the Alabama law, it sounds like it worked perfectly to me. Or would you rather have continued employing illegal aliens, when there were Americans who could speak English and would be desperate for those jobs? If so, you’re the problem, the enemy to the American people who brought this upon us, and therefore, your disdain for E-Verify is a ringing endorsement in my ears.


35 posted on 09/30/2011 8:22:48 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Sherman Logan

I’m perplexed by such criticism. I carefully explained how the bubble was created by bidding up on a limited supply of homes, with cheap interest rates and insufficient money down, and explained what had happened that triggered these factors to cause the bubble.


36 posted on 09/30/2011 8:25:41 AM PDT by dangus
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Tried to tell folks on this forum this for YEARS and was frequently flamed by the more liberal side as being too radical. Tried to tell Texas Freepers at a meeting that THE issue facing us was illegal immigration and got a lot of funny looks from some. I now sit and watch while it all happens.

As a good friend told me, children and adults don't really learn until through some circumstance in life they are READY to learn. If someone out there needs a conservative, expert, fluently bilingual consultant with an inside track on the illegal immigration issues for whatever purpose, send me a PM with contact information.

37 posted on 09/30/2011 8:28:13 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: mulligan

We are the government. Don’t run away from the blame. We are all guilty for allowing it to happen!


38 posted on 09/30/2011 8:34:24 AM PDT by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: meadsjn

Very true. I tried to touch briefly on the issue, without having to go on a long tangent explaining this. The irony is how much criticism I’ve collected from people who accused me of being “rambling” because I did try to acknowledge multiple causes, while others attacked me for not devoting sufficient emphasis to their pet cause. But I did try to touch on the additional issue of “quasi-legal” immigration, that is, immigration fueled by other illegal immigration. To elaborate, this includes

1. Workers brought in on Visas created to fill critical job shortages, when there are, in fact, plenty of Americans to take those jobs.

2. Aliens who had been illegal, but have now been granted amnesties.

3. “Anchor” babies, that is, children of illegal aliens who are automatically granted citizenship despite their parents’ illegal presence.

4. Relatives of such groups who have benefitted from chain migration laws to be given immigration eligibility.


39 posted on 09/30/2011 8:34:40 AM PDT by dangus
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The law worked. They are now Tennessee's problem.

E-verify only verifies that there is a person with that SSN, that DOB, with that name.

He may be working in 5 States simultaneously but it doesn't tell you that.

My person problem is that we have to replace 9% of our workforce in one day. Not as easy as you think.

40 posted on 09/30/2011 8:42:31 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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