Posted on 09/30/2011 6:23:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Edited on 09/30/2011 6:26:13 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Texas Gov. Rick Perry is defending his policy of allowing tuition assistance for illegal immigrants at state colleges and universities, saying the lack of a cohesive federal immigration policy forced his hand.
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At the same time Sarah ran with McAmnesty so she repeated the programmed answers ~ but she kept her wits about her and left in "follow the rules" which is better than just crossing your fingers.
Ricardo is NOT just telling McAmnesty's cr*p ~ he's telling his own tale.
Does anyone here disagree with the idea of SEALING THE BORDER? How about VISA ENFORCEMENT? What about PUNISHING EMPLOYERS?
A quick note ~ Perry is obviously oriented toward taking care of the chilluns of those dastardly Mexicans who hauled their kids along on their trip to Aztlan. But what if they were ALL LEGALLY HERE? What if someone issued a special visa called "YOU GOT 90 DAYS TO LEAVE BEFORE WE START CHECKING YOU ON THE WAY OUT" Visa?
They'd be legal, and certainly subject to federal residency laws controling visa holders. Would Ricardo take away their instate tuition?
Yes, I believe that if the hiring of illegals would stop, the magnet (a major one at least) would disappear and the immegration issue would dry up considerably. I believe that this bill is a magnet as well and that is why I do not support it.
I have a problem with the other candidates acting as if they would not have signed the bill themselves. Yes, Perry could have used the veto pen he’s used over 700 times before but with 97% of the state legislation he was to put it bluntly, damned if he did - damned if he didn’t. Does he support the bill himself, yes. This would be a problem for me if not for two things. One, his stance on the root of the problem, the border. Two, his determination that said bill should be decided on the state level.
Perry does not oppose deportation - he knows that the Feds aren’t doing it. See my number 19.
He says a fence/wall works in some place, but not for the whole 1200 mile Texas border. The fence is not working where it exists in rural farm and ranch land - When illegals scale or breach the fence, Border patrol can’t get there in time.
He’s in favor of prohibiting benefits for illegal aliens. However, the Feds require us to give medical care and education through high school and then ignores that the illegal aliens are here, getting medical care at the ER and enrolling their kids in our schools for years.
Yes, when unemployment was under 5%, he favored a guest worker program that did not involve permanent residency, but allowed workers to legally enter the country to work at jobs they had.
He’s in favor of allowing Mexican trucks that meet Texas’ standards to have the same sort of access that Canadian trucks have. That’s what happens when the Nation signs a treaty: we follow the contract we agreed to.
Not so hard a deal. Millions of people have done it before them. Or, does life in Texas render a student incapable of applying for and obtaining a visa?
No such law is pending in Virginia. This state is now owned and operated by Republicans so all the Democrat cr*p has been tossed in the dumper.
By MAGGIE HABERMAN | 9/7/11 9:21 PM EDT Updated: 9/7/11 9:24 PM EDT
Michele Bachmann didn’t say what she thought should be done with the millions of illegal immigrants in the country already, but added, “Our immigration law worked beautifully back in the 1950s and 1960s. ... They would not become a burden” to American taxpayers.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/62941.html#ixzz1ZSEZ0zRn
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Another time she refused to answer the question. No answer/position is a solid answer if you are conservative? People are asking and she’s not telling. I guess that’s how you get a B-...
SORRY, we sure don't agree that a kid just finishing HS is an adult. Just because THEY think they are an adult, does not make it so.
What you suggest is that as soon as the kid gradiates HS, he should escape the forced immigration he was under and run his little arse back to Mexico?
This just goes to show that THIS subject is very UNCLEAR indeed and many of those, including Mutt, who incessantly attack Perry with it are doing so not so much with regard the issue as the chance.
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Gov. Perry Signs Taxpayer Protection Bill
House Bill 2 Ensures Longevity of $15.7 Billion Property Tax Cut; Additional Legislation Protects Against Local Tax Increases, Appraisal Creep
Tuesday, May 23, 2006 • Press Release
Reform the franchise tax to close loopholes, reward employers for creating jobs and investing in employee benefits, and mandating that businesses that hire illegal immigrants will pay the price with higher taxes.
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I didn't mention Palin or Alaska. Thus far she's not running. I did mention Bachmann because she came up as strong on the issue and I find some weak spots.
I hear what you’re saying, but here’s what bothers me about Perry: He says “he was damned if he did, & damned if he didn’t” as if he really didn’t have a say in the matter. As the leader of the party, did he have such little sway over his members that he couldn’t have shot this down? Of course not. I suspect he swayed the members of his party a lot more than the other way around. He wanted this bill & made sure his party went against their principles to back him.
So, in retrospect, it is simply, damned because he did . He would of been quite fine if he “didn’t’.
However, legally speaking, an 18 year old is treated as an adult PLUS the courts only mandated that education coverage for kindergarten through grade 12. College isn't covered. We don't have to pay anything to send them to college. We don't have to let them in.
They can go to Mexico at 18, or, in fact, 16, or 12. Think about it ~ what would the courts rule if the parents objected? They're illegals and their kid is an illegal.
We could have ICE waiting on them to show up for court!
Also, Palin has at least somewhat stated a position on what to do about the illegals already here. Not Bachmann, she avoids it all together, like the plague.
I’ve no gripe with Palin on the issue.
Aliens, even aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful, have long been recognized as "persons" guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. ...Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982)We have never suggested that the class of persons who might avail themselves of the equal protection guarantee is less than coextensive with that entitled to due process. ...
Use of the phrase "within its jurisdiction" thus does not detract from, but rather confirms, the understanding that the protection of the Fourteenth Amendment extends to anyone, citizen or stranger, who is subject to the laws of a State, and reaches into every corner of a State's territory. That a person's initial entry into a State, or into the United States, was unlawful, and that he may for that reason be expelled, cannot negate the simple fact of his presence within the State's territorial perimeter. Given such presence, he is subject to the full range of obligations imposed by the State's civil and criminal laws. And until he leaves the jurisdiction -- either voluntarily, or involuntarily in accordance with the Constitution and laws of the United States -- he is entitled to the equal protection of the laws that a State may choose to establish.
**He wanted this bill & made sure his party went against their principles to back him.**
I find it hard to believe with the strong conservative record that Texas has, that he had THAT much sway over them. (I’m talking about the 97% in that instance.) But of course, that could be argued back and forth all day since we don’t know the individuals themselves, we can only go by the Texas legislative branch’s voting record.
Maybe in Indiana ICE will both accept illegals caught and actually deport them.
That is not the real world out here near the border. Our Texas LEOs have the authority to ID them, has the authority to arrest them and does hand them over to ICE. ICE gives them a court date, turns them back on the streets and never again thinks about them.
When I was growing up in Texas, it was normal to see illegals loaded on a Border Patrol bus and hauled back to Mexico. That world is gone because the US Federal Government changed the rule from catch, load on bus, deport without delay, to now give them a future court date and “see ya later, amigo”, not Governor Perry.
The Fed Gov also made it OK for them to get all our welfare freebies, not Governor Perry.
You and I agree that illegals and their kids need to be sent back whenever they are found, but again that is not how it is in the real world.
Were we differ is the premise that once the kid has been here most if not all of his schooling and there has been numerous years of school because the US Gov, not Governor Perry, says we have to school them and considering that school supporting Sales and Local Property taxes have been paid by the kid’s family, legal or illegal, is the reason they are offered In-State tuition.
That’s exactly the argument he makes in his books, and the argument he’s made in the debates. Everyone focuses on one soundbite, rather than what he’s said.
”” Issue by issue, on matters of the utmost importance to the people, the Court is telling us what to do. Frankly whether we win or lose the arguments, it’s indicative of the Court’s power over freedom that we must check every decision we make with the Court. And, to be honest it hits pretty close to home more times than not.”
“”Since I have been governor, a significant number of cases involving Texas or Texans have gone to the U.S. Supreme Court. From posting the Ten Commandments in the public square to our tight to execute a murdering rapist who happens to be a foreign national, we have had to kiss the right of the Court and have done so, sometime successfully, sometimes not. Texans have long been involved in significant decisions before the Court and often we have been told we can’t do something. To name a few: Roe v. Wade (legalizing abortion), Plyler v. Doe (requiring the education of children who are illegal immigrants), Lawrence v. Brown (outlawing anti-sodomy laws), Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe( (prohibiting student-led prayer at football games), League of Latin American Citizens v. Perry (ordering the reconfiguration of a congressional district), and numerous others. It seems Texans have a different view of the world than do the nine oligarchs in robes.” p. 98
and,
“”These levels of unchecked illegal immigration are unsustainable. We expend vast resources on illegal immigrants and our own security. State and local governments, which provide essential services like schooling and emergency health care to illegal immigrants, often under a mandate from the federal courts, bear the brunt of the immense fiscal burden. A 2007 study by the Congressional Budget Office reached several concussions relevant to this issue. Among them, the CBO pointed out that while most of the welfare or public assistance programs operated by the federal government, like Social Security, food stamps. And Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, are not available to illegal immigrants, the same federal government requires states to provide certain benefits to illegal immigrants in order for states to participate in programs receiving federal funds. Education is a good example. Emergency medical care is another; any health care facility receiving federal funds must provide certain care even for individuals who cannot pay for it, including many illegal immigrants.”” p. 120
and,
“”In the face of the federal government’s failure to secure our nation’s borders from illegal entry, border states face a very real problem each and every day. In response, in early 2010 Arizona passed a law that suddenly became the center of a firestorm of controversy. It was designed to require state and local law enforcement officers to do what they were empowered to do, and that is to check the immigration status of someone already engaged in a lawful stop, when the officers reasonably suspect him or her of being here illegally. The law targeted primarily so-called sanctuary cities—to make sure that no local mayors, sheriffs, or other leaders were able to ignore enforcement of immigration laws. Now, the national controversy has been largely disingenuous—based on misinformation and fear mongering. Governor Brewer and the Arizona legislature took a modest step to fill the breach caused by the failure of the federal government—and are completely within their rights to do so.
“”And in fact, large numbers of illegals apprehended away from the borders—that is, once living in our communities—are regularly apprehended or discovered by local law enforcement. They’re picked up on some local crime, from a DUI or parking ticket to domestic abuse or something else. State and local law enforcement cooperates with the Department of Homeland Security and together they decide what steps to take. All Arizona is doing is telling its law enforcement not to turn a blind eye. That’s the purpose. I do have some concerns with the law, and I don’t believe it is necessarily the right approach for Texas, in part because of the new cause of action it provides against law enforcement. Having battled trial lawyers for decades, I am concerned about opening up the courthouse doors to additional lawsuits. But I strongly support the right of the citizens of Arizona, Texas, or any other state to pass laws to protect themselves. In fact, we joined in federal court with eight other states to help defend Arizona against the Obama administration’s lawsuit.””
Perry, Rick (2010-11-15). Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington (p. 161). Little, Brown and Company. Kindle Edition.
Governor Perry has put forth a solution
What’s his solution? He’s defending an existing in state tuition program that already is in place. He can fight/defend his previous actions or move on to new topics. The choice is his, not mine.
My kids still can't get instate tuition there.
"Involuntarily leave".
Seems easy enough to me to understand. Get state subsidized tuition rate? Now that requires some degree of sophistry of which I am simply not capable.
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