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To: Squeeky
Native born citizens ARE natural born citizen.

What you mean to says is that NBCs are native born, but native-born citizens are NOT necessarily NBCs. McCain qualifies as native-born under Vattel who said that children born in the Armies of the State are considered born in the country.

Your "quantitative" arugment is a bunch of babbling. Maybe you can try again and articulate a point that makes sense.

132 posted on 10/04/2011 1:04:55 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

You said:What you mean to says is that NBCs are native born, but native-born citizens are NOT necessarily NBCs.


No I didn’t. I said EXACTLY what I meant. People who are native born are born in the allegiance of the U.S., except for kids of diplomats and kids of invading soldiers. Actually, I DIDN’T say that, the SUPREME COURT babbled it first. See, AGAIN:

“It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.13”

Sooo, NATIVE BORNS are born in the allegiance even if they are aliens: And what is that little tern the court also uses for these native born people who are born in the allegiance??? Here, again the court BABBLES:

“ll persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution.”

Sooo, native born people, even aliens, are born here if they are NATIVE BORN (duh!!!) and they are in the allegiance of the U.S. and therefor since ALL people born in the allegiance of the U.S are NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, these people are NATURAL BORN CITIZENS too.

Sooo, really it is YOU who are babbling. Not me. Sooo, quit being a Vattle Birther. OK???


134 posted on 10/04/2011 1:20:41 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: edge919
Your "quantitative" arugment is a bunch of babbling. Maybe you can try again and articulate a point that makes sense.

No she can't. I just skim over anything she or "Mr Rogers" writes. You should try it. Your brain will feel better as a result.

135 posted on 10/04/2011 1:21:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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