Posted on 09/28/2011 7:08:25 AM PDT by hocndoc
It's worth noting that Sen. Brian Birdwell filed a bill to repeal that in-state tuition law just this year in the Senate, where Dewhurst is the presiding office. The bill, Senate Bill 1631, was referred to the Higher Education Committee, chaired by Democratic Sen. Judith Zaffirini. It was heard but never emerged from that committee.
Lt Gov Dewhurst is breaking from Perry on the issue. "If we're not going to give fellow Americans who live in Louisiana or Oklahoma or New Mexico the ability to come into Texas and have in-state tuition and save, then is it fair to give that break to people who are not citizens here?" he told Dallas/Ft. Worth's WFAA. "So, I would not have signed that law."
Dewhurt's chief primary opponent, former Texas solicitor general Ted Cruz, painted the lieutenant governor's position as another flip-flop.
"This is another Republican primary year conversion by David Dewhurst. He was for in-state tuition for illegal immigrants before he was against it," Cruz said in a statement to On Call. "The next Senator from Texas needs to be a strong conservative who knows what he believes. I strongly oppose in-state tuition for illegal aliens, and categorically oppose amnesty or preferential treatment for illegal immigrants."
If repealing or opposing in-state tuition for illegals is not popular among Reps, then why are the two leading candidates for the Senate espousing their opposition to in-state tuition?
"Several states have made illegal immigrants eligible for lower in-state tuition at colleges and universities, but 81% of voters oppose such a move in their state. Just 12% think illegal immigrants should be eligible for these tuition breaks in their home state. Opposition to allowing illegal immigrants to be eligible for in-state tuition is slightly stronger than it was back in October 2007."
That's very true and the only way immigration laws will ever be enforced effectively is with the involvement of local, county and state law enforcement, cooperating with a federal government that intends to enforce the law.
The Feds will never hire enough personnel to enforce immigration law nationwide and they shouldn't. It has to involve law enforcement at all levels. And politicians who oppose that simply oppose enforcing immigration law.
You have to do both at the same time. It isn’t that difficult. It is just a matter of political will.
To qualify, the student must have lived in the state for at least three years before graduating from a Texas high school or receiving a high school equivalency diploma in Texas. The student also must have lived for at least part of that time with a parent or legal guardian and could not have an established residence outside of Texas. In addition, such students were required to sign an affidavit stating that they would apply for permanent residency as soon as they are eligible to do so.
Until 1982, Texas law prohibited local school districts from using state funds to educate undocumented immigrant children; furthermore, districts were allowed to deny enrollment to such children. In 1982, however, the Texas law was deemed unconstitutional. In Plyler v. Doe, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Texas law violated the equal protection provisions of the 14th Amendment. As a result of Plyler v. Doe, states may not deny access to public education to immigrant children residing within their boundaries, regardless of their legal status.
http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/undocumented/3education.html
Notice that the same folks who claim that immigration enforcement is strictly a federal matter never mention sanctuary cities and the blatant defiance of federal law.
What is a state governor supposed to do about a sanctuary city? The city is flaunting federal law, not state law.
America: A Nation Of Laws
America: A Nation Of Scofflaws
Federal Law Title 8, Chapter 14, Sec. 1623 states:“an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State... for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit.”
How do I overcome Mr. Perry’s smear on me?
The same way you do in ALL the other states,just show up.
I thought the Governor could only sign legislation (except Executive Order - we won't go there).
The TX legislature tried to pass laws that would put a stop to sanctuary cities...but they (legislators) folded after pressure from big TX RNC donors (HEB's Butts and Perry Homes), IIRC.
Arizona catches them and turns them over to the feds who release them. Over and over and over. What good are they doing? Is it a waste of tax dollars to churn them through the system?
“Why is immigration law any different?”
Ask Janet or Bummer or GWB, Clinton, Bush the first, Reagan. Well we can’t ask Reagan anymore.
States can pass laws penalizing cities for not enforcing and coooperating with the Federal Government on immigration by stopping state aid. AZ 1070 contained such a provision and it was upheld by the courts. Here is the language that Judge Bolton upheld
Cooperation and assistance in enforcement of 15 immigration laws; indemnification
16 A. NO OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR
17 OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY ADOPT A POLICY THAT LIMITS OR
18 RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW.
We are trying to pass a similar law here in VA. And states can pass statewide enrollment in Secure Communities and the 287 g program.
Wow, I didn’t know that. It sounds like Texas has some work to do. Isn’t Houston a sanctuary city? It’s also a sanctuary for the former N.O. flood victims that never went home.
What was going on in 2001?
- we didn’t have 9-11 to think about. Illegal immigration was not broadly seen as a national security issue.
- we hadn’t had the debate about ‘compassionate conservationism’ with Bush yet.
- the entire issue of illegal immigration wasn’t in the foreground of public discussion.
Could I forgive Perry for this signature - seeing as how so much of this is Monday Morning Quarterbacking?
Sure. If he asked for forgiveness. If he really believed that it was a bad decision.
But he defends himself. *After* we’ve had the debate and endured the horrors that were 9-11, he still ends up on the wrong side.
Then he insults those of us who’ve thought this through and decided that the stance was wrong.
Go back, look at what the Governor said, the “heart” comment was made specifically to Mitt Romney and came after several minutes of debate about the Governor among the other candidates. He was answering a compound question, but also the previous comments.
For some reason, this one phrase is the focus, not the rest of the answer, not Mitt Romney’s false numbers, or Santorum’s hassling and interruption in the next segment.
Transcript from the debate, September 23 - after Bachmann and others had commented on Texas’ immigration problems, without giving Perry a chance to rebut — http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/22/fox-news-google-gop-2012-presidential-debate/#ixzz1ZGE06Tx1 :
WALLACE; Governor Romney, I want to continue a conversation that you had with Governor Perry in the last debate.
In Massachusetts, you vetoed legislation to provide interstate tuition rates to the children of illegals. Governor Perry of course signed the Texas Dream Act to do exactly that. But what about Governor Perry’s argument that it’s better to get these kids an education and to get them jobs than to consign them just to being a burden on the state?
ROMNEY: It’s an argument I just can’t follow. I’ve got be honest with you, I don’t see how it is that a state like Texas — to go to the University of Texas, if you’re an illegal alien, you get an in-state tuition discount. You know how much that is? That’s $22,000 a year.
Four years of college, almost $100,000 discount if you are an illegal alien go to the University of Texas. If you are a United States citizen from any one of the other 49 states, you have to pay $100,000 more. That doesn’t make sense to me. And that kind of magnet —
(APPLAUSE)
ROMNEY: That kind of magnet draws people into this country to get that education, to get the $100,000 break. It makes no sense. We have to have — just as Speaker Gingrich said, and as Michele Bachmann said as well, Congresswoman Bachmann, and that is we have to have a fence, we have to have enough Border Patrol agents to secure the fence, we have to have a system like E-Verify that employers can use to identify who is here legally and illegally.
We have to crackdown on employers that hire people that are here illegally. And we have to turn off the magnet of extraordinary government benefits like a $100,000 tax credit — or, excuse me, discount for going to the University of Texas. That shouldn’t be allowed. It makes no sense at all.
(APPLAUSE)
WALLACE: Governor Perry, I’m going to ask you a question, so you don’t need to respond to him, because you’re going to get a full minute to answer your question, which is on directly this point. You’re the candidate whose name, by a wide margin, came up most often in the questions being submitted to all of you candidates about immigration.
Dave Hollenback (ph) of Arizona sent this “To date, it appears that you have not tried to stop the illegals from coming. We have high unemployment and a considerable amount of jobs going to illegals. Are you going to exert an effort to stop the abuse of U.S. citizens by illegals?”
Now, last year, more than 16,000 children of illegals, young people in Texas, took advantage of your in-state tuition rate. Speak to that issue. And just, generally, how do you feel being criticized by a number of these other candidates on the stage for being too soft on immigration, sir?
PERRY: Well, I feel pretty normal getting criticized by these folks, but the fact of the matter is this: there is nobody on this stage who has spent more time working on border security than I have.
For a decade, I’ve been the governor of a state with a 1,200-mile border with Mexico. We put $400 million of our taxpayer money into securing that border. We’ve got our Texas Ranger recon teams there now.
I supported Arizona’s immigration law by joining in that lawsuit to defend it. Every day I have Texans on that border that are doing their job.
But if you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they’ve been brought there by no fault of their own, I don’t think you have a heart. We need to be educating these children, because they will become a drag on our society.
I think that’s what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature, when this issue came up, only four dissenting votes.
This was a state issue. Texans voted on it. And I still support it greatly.
(APPLAUSE)
If it’s a magnet, it’s one that has a 3 year lead time, and requires graduation from a Texas high school.
Don’t forget that the law was revised and passed with the same support in 2005.
He didn’t say that this is the solution for the Nation.
He specifically calls for the Feds to stop people at the border, before they bring families in, to deport them before their kids finish 3 years of high school, and if the feds won’t do their job, that this is a State issue.
“”I think that’s what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature, when this issue came up, only four dissenting votes.
“”This was a state issue. Texans voted on it. And I still support it greatly.””
There’s a long section in his book, “Fed Up!” on the problem and how we got here, with Plyler v. Doe and the action of the Supreme Court back in 1982. Unfortunately, I’ve used up my allowed copying and pasting from the Kindle version of the book, and haven’t had the time to type it up.
He didn’t say that this is the solution for the Nation.
He specifically calls for the Feds to stop people at the border, before they bring families in, to deport them before their kids finish 3 years of high school, and if the feds won’t do their job, that this is a State issue.
“”I think that’s what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature, when this issue came up, only four dissenting votes.
“”This was a state issue. Texans voted on it. And I still support it greatly.””
There’s a long section in his book, “Fed Up!” on the problem and how we got here, with Plyler v. Doe and the action of the Supreme Court back in 1982. Unfortunately, I’ve used up my allowed copying and pasting from the Kindle version of the book, and haven’t had the time to type it up.
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