Posted on 09/27/2011 6:20:22 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
This is a very good example of why **both** parents must be citizens.
JFK's father was a gangster running booze but no one doubted the fundamental and bedrock loyalty that JFK had to the United States of America.
“Should these twins reside in Mexico, come back for college at age 18, and then run for president at age 35?”
COULD they? Yes. Born in the US & have a US parent, other one (legally) unknown.
In PERKINS V. ELG, 307 U. S. 325 (1939), you will find:
“Miss Elg was born in Brooklyn, New York, on October 2, 1907. Her parents, who were natives of Sweden, emigrated to the United States sometime prior to 1906, and her father was naturalized here in that year. In 1911, her mother took her to Sweden, where she continued to reside until September 7, 1929. Her father went to Sweden in 1922, and has not since returned to the United States. In November, 1934, he made a statement before an American consul in Sweden that he had voluntarily expatriated himself for the reason that he did not desire to retain the status of an American citizen and wished to preserve his allegiance to Sweden.
In 1928, shortly before Miss Elg became twenty-one years of age, she inquired an American consul in Sweden about returning to the United States and was informed that, if she returned after attaining majority, she should seek an American passport...
...The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants, declared Miss Elg “to be a natural born citizen of the United States,” and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants.”
She was born in the US, left at 5, raised in Sweden, parents renounced US citizenship - and she was still a NBC.
As discussed int he case:
“The facts were these: one Steinkauler, a Prussian subject by birth, emigrated to the United States in 1848, was naturalized in 1854, and in the following year had a son who was born in St. Louis. Four years later, Steinkauler returned to Germany, taking this child, and became domiciled at Weisbaden, where they continuously resided...the Attorney General reached the following conclusion:
“Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty-one, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States; but the father, in accordance with the treaty and the laws, has renounced his American citizenship and his American allegiance...”
http://supreme.justia.com/us/307/325/case.html
“Do you honestly believe that **this** was the intention of our Founding Fathers when they put the phrase, “natural born”, into the Constitution?”
No, but they did not rule it out. The phrase “natural born citizen” - the equivalent of “natural born subject” - had a precise definition, and it allowed for this to happen.
If it were up to the Obama defenders the Constitution would be the size of the Manhattan phone book. It would even define the word, “is”.
Remember, please, Yuri Bezmenov’s warning. The first people dragged out of their homes and shot on the spot were the Useful Idiots.
“The Founding Fathers didn’t precisely define “natural born” to your satisfaction.”
On the contrary, they did. NBC had a specific meaning. They knew what it was when they inserted it & approved it.
You are the one who complains & tries to make it mean something it did not. It was a legal term, with a well-known legal history & meaning. Deal with it.
Yes, kids born in the US of a US mother meet the definition. Frankly, if the parent was here legally, they would meet the definition even if both parents were known aliens.
You honestly believe that our Founding Fathers would have considered **dual citizen** twin children to be natural born citizens if they were born to an American woman ( on this soil) and British father and pirate ( firmly entrenched in British culture and life), and then raised in England to maturity?
You believe that these dual citizen twins of a British pirate and American mother could become president of the United States of America? You really believe that was in their minds?
Ooookay!
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