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Rick Perry's Intriguing Idea for Bi-National Health Insurance
Forbes ^ | September 26, 2011 | Avik Roy

Posted on 09/27/2011 2:48:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

At the Fox News-Google Republican debate in Orlando last week, Rick Perry was—as usual—in the cross-hairs. Rick Santorum, the former Senator from Pennsylvania, had one of the most memorable lines of the evening. Said Santorum, “[Rick Perry] gave a speech in 2001 where he talked about bi-national health insurance between Mexico and Texas. I mean, I don’t even think Barack Obama would be for bi-national health insurance! So, I think he’s very weak on this issue of American sovereignty.” The implication being that Perry is some kind of one-world government socialist.

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Contrary to Sen. Santorum’s impression, the idea here was to explore the possibility of allowing private insurers to cover health services provided in either Texas or Mexico. It was an attempt at studying the deregulation of the provision of health insurance by private entities.

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Rick Santorum may have thought he was undermining Rick Perry’s health policy credibility by attacking the Texas proposal for bi-national health insurance. But the only credibility Santorum undermined was his own.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: conservatism; gopprimary; healthcare; obamacare; obamaperr; perry2012; perry4mexicans; perry4mexico; perrycare; perrycare2; rickperry; texas
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1 posted on 09/27/2011 2:48:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Contrary to Sen. Santorum’s impression, the idea here was to explore the possibility of allowing private insurers to cover health services provided in either Texas or Mexico. It was an attempt at studying the deregulation of the provision of health insurance by private entities.

WHO regulates and mandates what so called 'private insurers' are required to cover. FORBES is short on the FACTS as to how 'private' insurance is controlled. What anyone who pays attention know intuitively is that once a precedence is set by rote it then spreads like an airborne virus.

2 posted on 09/27/2011 2:56:20 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Could we get them to sell insurance across STATE lines, first?


3 posted on 09/27/2011 3:10:40 AM PDT by cumbo78
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To: Just mythoughts; hocndoc; All
People are traveling to India, Costa Rica and Mexico for cheaper health care.

Third party pay has driven up costs.

Lawsuit abuse has driven up costs (doctors are flocking Texas since we have lawsuit abuse reform and now "loser pays").

Yesterday I heard of a report on doctors where 40%+ said they were ordering more test due to the reality of lawsuits - that they didn't have the time to assess patients.

Perry said he will repeal Obamacare. He understands the issue and the facts and the causes of the problem.

As with educating children of illegals (allowed into the country by lax federal government oversite and federal government dictate not to ask legal status of students), Perry isn't a gloss over and kick to the curb for someone else to deal with executive, he's a problem solver who understands what must change before things can be controlled on the state level.

4 posted on 09/27/2011 3:11:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cumbo78
Could we get them to sell insurance across STATE lines, first?

And give up their fund-raising opportunities? See the hidden message in this whole mess is that the overwhelming number of politicians need $$$$ to get reelected. They will used their current power and authority to keep that checking account for reelection open. SO the liberals decided they would step to the front of the line and make health care a right bestowed by them based upon whose fitness helps them the liberals survive.

5 posted on 09/27/2011 3:16:28 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: cumbo78
Could we get them to sell insurance across STATE lines, first?

Interesting. Now that medical professionals are flocking to Texas to set up practice due to lawsuit abuse reform, Texas will be a destination state when insurance can be sold across state lines (and why others are fighting it). Again Texas is leading the way.

It's called, free market capitalism and we need to resuscitate it.

6 posted on 09/27/2011 3:16:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Just mythoughts; shield; hocndoc
Gov. Perry wants the Feds to let Texas spend their own Medicaid money. As Texas will spend it better and it will cover more people. But note below, Obama want to control it (as you say) to "shower" it on voting blocks.

Perrycare 101: Rick Perry’s Medicaid record ................"Likewise, his block-grant proposal will almost certainly be dead on arrival in Washington. President Obama has opposed block-grant financing of Medicaid; his administration fears it could leave states shorthanded and unable to cover vulnerable populations.

So despite the sweeping reforms that Perry has proposed, the Texas Medicaid program remains pretty vanilla. It mostly hews to the federally mandated minimums in terms of what populations it covers, adding on coverage for a few optional populations, including pregnant women and patients in long-term care. Since Perry took office in 2000, Texas has received six waivers to do things that a number of other states are doing, too. For example, it has used multiple waivers to expand Medicaid managed care, mirroring a national trend of moving Medicaid patients into privately run programs to streamline costs and make care more efficient.

Facing budget shortfalls, Texas has relied on cuts to Medicaid provider rates, along with 35 other states. It has also joined 29 other states in looking to control pharmacy costs as another way to rein in the entitlement program’s costs.

In the end, Perry’s Medicaid record might be less relevant to what the state’s program looks like today and more pertinent to what he wants to do in Washington. A President Perry could approve all those flexibilities that he’s been unable to gain as governor.

“I see the Perry presidency as one with a theme of returning power to the states,” says Arlene Wohlgemuth, who directs health policy for the conservative Texas Public Policy Foundation. “I would expect President Perry to give states that freedom, to continue to show that they can deliver better care for less money.”...........

7 posted on 09/27/2011 3:27:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
....he's a problem solver who understands what must change before things can be controlled on the state level.

Seems to me he proposed the system as a state plan, similar to the one California has. His in-state tuition idea is also a Texas plan. He also has a problem with a border fence in his state. As they are all positions that are local and specific to his state, I cannot really object, since I am not a Texas resident and I'm a believer in State's Rights.

What's of most concern to me is how he would use his executive power on the federal level. If he plans to force a bi-national health plan on all border states, refuse the right to protect their border, and require in-state tuition for all illegals, he's not the person we need. He needs to be very specific on his position on those issues and others.

8 posted on 09/27/2011 3:27:17 AM PDT by edpc (Former Normalcy Bias Victim)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
People are traveling to India, Costa Rica and Mexico for cheaper health care. Third party pay has driven up costs. Lawsuit abuse has driven up costs (doctors are flocking Texas since we have lawsuit abuse reform and now "loser pays"). Yesterday I heard of a report on doctors where 40%+ said they were ordering more test due to the reality of lawsuits - that they didn't have the time to assess patients. Perry said he will repeal Obamacare. He understands the issue and the facts and the causes of the problem. As with educating children of illegals (allowed into the country by lax federal government oversite and federal government dictate not to ask legal status of students), Perry isn't a gloss over and kick to the curb for someone else to deal with executive, he's a problem solver who understands what must change before things can be controlled on the state level.

The 'state' regulates/controls what so called 'private' health insurance companies are required to offer. They are called 'mandates', because the state orders the 'businesses' what coverage they are to provide and will punish any businesses that defy the state's hidden taxation.

All this says to me is another government bureaucracy will be created to oversee the compliance of yet another government program.

Ah requiring the tax payer to pay for the health care and the education of illegal invaders, I do NOT care how long they have been here illegally is TAXATION without representation.... or more to the point a redistribution of wealth. It is quite simple.

The 'law' is that it is illegal to NOT pay the minimum wage rate. The 'law' is that TAXES are to be paid by all who earn income. AND the federal government will go after employers that hire illegals and collect what is owed them.

I have not heard one word out of the Governor in regards to how he intends to reign in out of control government overseers.

9 posted on 09/27/2011 3:29:40 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

The problem lies on the federal level.

Thus, states’ rights, seal the border, repeal Obamacare and start taking back control.

The EPA, the NEA, Obamacare....all the alphabet agencies that have become monstrous bullies must be addressed and control returned to the people.


10 posted on 09/27/2011 3:43:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
....."However, thirty days after the National Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommended the vaccine, Texas was required by Federal law to buy and distribute the vaccine in the “Vaccines for Children” program. The program provides vaccines without cost to uninsured children up to age 21, those who are insured by Medicaid, and those whose private insurance does not pay for vaccines at all. In effect, the only families who have to pay for Gardasil – for whom the State of Texas will not pay, anyway, under Federal law – are those whose private insurance will only pay for mandated vaccines.".... Dose of Reason: Perry and Gardasil

Is anyone able to draw the lines between the dots more easily now? Health care, medicaid costs, future costs, high costs due to third party pay, and having affordable access and how it effect future costs (again read the short article and think of all the controversy that has erupted before learning or thinking -- how these things are all interrelated).

This really isn't so complicated but it is easily cherry picked and demagogued.

Gov. Rick Perry wants to be Nancy Pelosi's worst nightmare.

11 posted on 09/27/2011 4:01:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry does not have the brains to have an intriguing idea. The Texas joke is over let it go home.
12 posted on 09/27/2011 4:05:43 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: Just mythoughts; Sun; South40; cripplecreek; indylindy; Condor51; stephenjohnbanker; ...
THIS JUST IN Perry's a "problem solver" who understands what must change before things can be controlled on the state level.

Yawn----just Perry's handlers reinventing him....a-g-a-i-n.

Now he's a "problem solver."

What next? Maybe we'll learn Perry discovered penicillin? He's so well-versed in pharmaceuticals.

This loser reminds me of the ghouls in the Night of The Living Dead----you beat him back but he just won't go away----he keeps coming back looking for new flesh to gnaw on.

13 posted on 09/27/2011 4:06:20 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

>>seal the border<<

I’ll look at Perry again when he does this.


14 posted on 09/27/2011 4:12:29 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The problem lies on the federal level. Thus, states’ rights, seal the border, repeal Obamacare and start taking back control. The EPA, the NEA, Obamacare....all the alphabet agencies that have become monstrous bullies must be addressed and control returned to the people.

How has Governor Perry led Texas in a demonstration that he does 'cut' the size of government. Are there less 'state' employees working for the state of Texas now than when he first was elected governor? I will tell you, while I knew little about Governor Perry until a month + ago, I do remember him telling Texans he would not run for the office of the president less than a year ago. Now it may well be acceptable for Texans to ignore that promise, but to me it puts his character into question.

AND since Governor Perry is running for president why is he smacking US, those he needs to vote for him as being hard-hearted for objecting to funding illegals and their non-citizen children. Why is that NOT the fault of the Feds for NOT protecting the border? Now you may well like him as your governor, but he does not represent me, nor does he have my consent to rule over me in the redistribution of my wealth to illegals, I do not care how long they have lived illegally in this nation. Wonder how many illegals vote in our elections?

15 posted on 09/27/2011 4:13:25 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

His brand is gone. He messed it up telling us that we have no heart.


16 posted on 09/27/2011 4:13:50 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: cumbo78
Could we get them to sell insurance across STATE lines, first?

Now that would be a radical idea indeed! That alone would probably solve about 25% of the problems with skyrocketing health insurance premiums.


17 posted on 09/27/2011 4:18:10 AM PDT by Oceander (www.attackwatch.com - don't forget to turn yourself in!)
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To: Liz
Yawn----just Perry's handlers reinventing him....a-g-a-i-n. Now he's a "problem solver." What next? Maybe we'll learn Perry discovered penicillin? He's so well-versed in pharmaceuticals. This loser reminds me of the ghouls in the Night of The Living Dead----you beat him back but he just won't go away----he keeps coming back looking for new flesh to gnaw on.

Well for any positives he had with me, which I admit were few, he sure woke me up with his back hand of calling me hard hearted. I expect open handed slaps from liberals, but from one who needs my vote is a wee bit shocking. But I do not understand how he can call himself a conservative while he espouses the redistribution of my wealth to illegals. I know it has been a very long hot spell in Texas with an historic drought but I seriously doubt he has had to spend too much time outside of an air conditioned shelter. So what the .ell was he thinking????

18 posted on 09/27/2011 4:19:45 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m sorry, but Perry has played his hand. He is a closet liberal.

From the article: “when we expanded access to Medicaid for more low-income children by making the Medicaid enrollment process simpler. We allocated an additional $4 billion to the Medicaid program, and more than $900 million to the Children’s Health Insurance Program.”

A phrase keeps coming to mind...”From each according to his ability to each according to their needs.”

It’s kind of like ants and aphids...the ants need sugar, they simply tap the backs of the aphids and viola! Free sugar.

The reason for the high cost of medical care is directly due to the insurance business. It has “deep pockets” and if it needs bigger pockets, it simply raises it’s premiums and no one can do anything about it. If the government wants to raise the “vote getting” medicaid and welfare for those who “enjoy” those benefits, they come to me, you and anyone else who is responsible enough to educate themselves to the point that they can produce actual work that accomplishes something rather than sit around spitting out babies and whining about how bad they have it.

Increasing money for welfare rats and other government waste leeches really grates on me as I see more and more of my hard earned money being snatched from my hands every year.

It’s time to end it and Rick Perry is certainly NOT the one to do so.


19 posted on 09/27/2011 4:22:57 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Just mythoughts

Why have you gone off in a tangent?

I guess you read the article, connected the dots and saw how Rick Perry and the state of Texas have worked to lower health care costs, tried to make them more accessible (put control back in the consumers’ hands and still have medical professionals make a profit and care for their patients), that he sees long-term problems that must be addressed now, and how the Federal government is doing exactly the opposite.

Additionally, you may have gone to the subsequent links I provided and now realize Gov. Perry’s has done as much as can be done on the state level to improve the situation caused by federal regulations and dictates — and why he decided that it is vitally important for states’ rights to be returned and that is what he will work to have happen.


20 posted on 09/27/2011 4:25:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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