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To: dragnet2
Some guy living in Berlin, who posts here, kept telling me that, even with video and multiple corroborating witness statements.

You insisted that all six policemen must be guilty.

I said wait for the investigation, and that it could be one policeman used excessive force and will be charged.

You still insisted, numerous times that all six must be guilty because of witnesses and video evidence.

As it turns out I was the one that was more correct (2 cops instead of 1 charged) and you were very badly mistaken by insisting all 6 were guilty.

Now you are conveniently changing your view that the policeman might be a racist, while misrepresenting my position on this case. Whatever... not surprised.

I promised you a reply when the investigation is complete so this is it. You were wrong, I was correct.

51 posted on 09/21/2011 1:24:16 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Any cop who stood by and watched a murder take place and did nothing is as guilty as hell in my book. The fact that they avoided charges is meaningless. They stood by and watched a man be beaten to death, they are a disgrace and have no business in any position of authority.


54 posted on 09/21/2011 1:48:00 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I promised you a reply when the investigation is complete so this is it. You were wrong, I was correct.

Not so fast. The feds are still investigating this. Before serving crow up to dragnet2, you might want to wait a bit. Otherwise, you might end up being the recipient of the crowfeast.

72 posted on 09/21/2011 4:19:41 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Berlin_Freeper; vbmoneyspender
You’re one of the most disingenuous individuals on this site.

Your first posts to that thread, you immediately attempted to discredit the victim that was beat to death. Then when I and others told you there was video, multiple witnesses who corroborated each others statements, you repeatedly stated: “Let’s wait until the investigation is complete”…..Yet your very first posts were meant to directly discredit the dead young man.

But it wasn’t enough to discredit the victim, you immediately brought up an assault incident involving the dead guy, but you failed to mention that incident occurred 16 years ago, which was also attributed to the onset of his illness.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2754875/posts?q=1&;page=1

28 posted by Berlin-Freeper This “gentle giant” was convicted for assault with a deadly weapon.

_____________________________________________________________________________ 29 posted by Berlin_Freeper: Excuse me, not “gentle giant”...but rather this “’very quiet and polite’, ‘gentle and childlike’, ‘sweet’, and ‘never a threat’” person was convicted for assault with a deadly weapon.

69 posted by Berlin_Freeper: So let me point out to you that a kick from 135 pound suspect would be just as powerful as a punch from a 200 pound person.

Berlin_Freeper: That doesn't necessarily mean any policemen are "guilty", as you declare them.

You were told repeatably, my comments were based on the story, and witness statements from multiple articles.

When another person called them “Pigs” I responded in #57 “Not all”.

Does that sound like a cop hater?

#61 I asked you: * Based* on witness statements, and the outcome, do you feel 6 large officers beating to death an unarmed, 135 pound suspect is reasonable?

#78 You were told repeatedly: My posts are based on multiple witness statements, video, audio, photographs, in addition to the fact that the suspect was *not* armed, the fact at least one of the officers have already been named in other questionable beating, in addition to the fact that witnesses all stated there were 5 to 6 cops beating one *unarmed* suspect with fists and flashlights...the fact they tased him multiple times, and the fact that suspect died as a result of this brutal beating, which witnesses described as not a beating, but a brutal murder.

You responded by changing the subject and implied I am a cop hater multiple times.

80 posted by Berlin_Freeper: It’s not like a Cop Hater is ever going to spend a single minute posting about a police officer killed in the line of duty by a suspect resisting arrest and refusing to be taken in alive.

127 posted by Berlin_Freeper: If the charges come in against anything less than six policemen, then remember me calling you a Monster. You declared them all guilty.

You lie, my post were based on statements by witnesses. I never once stated “They were all guilty”.

118 by Berlin_Freeper: So it could turn out that one policeman was using too much force.

What they hell did ya base this on? 2 have already been charged, facing multiple felony charges, with 4 others still being investigated and on leave.

I asked you in #136: So, you're now suggesting it could only be one officer? Question #1. Tell me, how is that possible, when multiple witness statements say it was 6 officers beating one unarmed mentally ill individual?

Question#2. Tell me Berlin Freeper, are you suggesting it's reasonable for 5 officers to just stand and watch one officer beat and unarmed individual to death?

Then you had the balls to state this:

140 posted by Berlin_Freeper: Just as I expected - you don't have a single sworn witness statement.

I stated in 161: My comments were all based on the *story*, witness statements, and what we already know. You were the *first* to discredit the victim in support of the police, on an incident that occurred over *16* years ago.

#161 Then, when asked if you thought this incident was reasonable, based on what we already know, in post 63 you stated the following: “It is kind of ironic that you are so quick to fault the police for using force against a resisting suspect, yet very willing to Troll me for an answer.”

Ya tell everyone the suspect was resisting, and then you turn around and state:

"I will wait for the investigation to be complete before commenting.”

You are one disingenuous piece of work.

Here's the victim you attempted to discredit in your first posts.

Police Beat -Taser 'Gentle' Mentally-Ill Homeless Man To Death In Full, CA

74 posted on 09/21/2011 4:59:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 ((Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit))
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To: Berlin_Freeper

B.F. if you were a cop and were there...and just watched 2 cops beat a guy to death. Would you be guilty of something?


77 posted on 09/21/2011 5:07:57 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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