Why the Announced Test at Uppsala Should Show if Rossi’s E-Cat Claims Are Valid

ECat World ^ | Sept 19 2011 | (interview of Dr. Johannes Hagel)

[Kevmo]

Why the Announced Test at Uppsala Should Show if Rossi’s E-Cat Claims Are Valid
Featured
by admin
I’m very happy to be able to have another guest post today — this one written by Dr. Johannes Hagel, of Neuss, Germany .

Being a physicist I consider the announced test of Andrea Rossis E-Cat at Uppsala as one of the most important of all the series of tests we have been seen so far. This for the following reason:
In the announced test for the first time there will be made use of a heat exchanger which transfers the energy of the steam output into a secondary circuit for heating water without boiling it. At least that is how I understood it from Rossi’s description. This means that a certain amount of water per time unit will pass through the heat exchanger with a given entrance temperature T1 and a larger exit temperature T2 .

It is then very simple to compute the amount of energy which has been necessary to obtain this temperature difference at a given water flow through the exchanger (in fact a simple multiplication of three numbers). In addition, this energy measured will give an “approximation from below” to the true energy output of the E-Cat. This is because a heat exchanger, due to the laws of thermodynamics (as well as to non-perfect insulation) will never reach 100% efficiency .

However, with this method we will be sure that at least the measured energy in the secondary circuit has indeed be released by the E-Cat. This was not so easy to state using the old method of temperature measurement of the direct steam output as it has been done so far. This is due to a difficulty of distinguishing between wet and dry steam, wet steam still containing some water in it. This remaining water has not been vaporized, i.e. the vaporization energy necessary to transfer water to steam (phase change!) has never been applied to it. Hence the thus computed energy output can easily be overestimated. If however, one transfers all the energy of the steam (dry or wet) via the heat exchanger, and uses it for heating water without boiling it things become very clear .

Of course the upcoming test has to be run for a sufficient amount of time to exclude a chemical process inside the E-Cat which could account for the observed energy output. As far as I understood the present E-Cat is considerably larger than the previous one. For the original one Prof. Levi (University of Bologna) excluded a combustion process after a test run of 18 hours. From the images shown I would guess that the inside volume now is at least three times the one before and thus the test should be extended for at least 60 hours or even more to exclude common energy sources inside .

However if all this is observed and any type of “hidden energy transfer” from the outside into the E-Cat (e.g. based on micro waves etc.) can be excluded then I would consider this type of test as a very rigorous and would be extremely pleased seeing a positive result .

Dr. Johannes Hagel, Physicist Neuss, Germany

[Kevmo]

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/09/why-the-announced-e-cat-test-at-uppsala-should-tell-the-complete-story/#utm_source=feed&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed

IB4TS In Before The Seagulls

. { ------->

{ -------> this thread

. . { ------->

http://www.rupertwhite.co.uk/Letter_to_a_seagull.htm

[Kevmo]

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/09/why-the-announced-e-cat-test-at-uppsala-should-tell-the-complete-story/#utm_source=feed&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed

[SatinDoll]

I, for one, hope it works.

[Moonman62]

However if all this is observed and any type of “hidden energy transfer” from the outside into the E-Cat (e.g. based on micro waves etc.) can be excluded then I would consider this type of test as a very rigorous and would be extremely pleased seeing a positive result .

That's a big if. He seems impressed with the heat exchanger, but there is still no way to rule out fraudulent inputs into the system.

[RussP]

That’ll be interesting if it works, but we really don’t need it, since we already know this will work:

http://russp.us/thorium.htm

[Moonman62]

I, for one, hope it works.

A lot of people do, and scam artists are attracted to areas where people have a lot of hope. Look at out current president, for instance.

[Kevmo]

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or Fake) LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo .

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or Fake)

But you won't bother helping out one way or another on such an effort, would you?
Therefore, in the meantime...

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your result for The Which Stupid Creature Are You Test...

You are a Seagull

You scored extremely high on opinionation, very low on knowledge, very low on usefulness, and very high on loudness factor.

You are a Seagull... which makes you annoying as all hell. On the bright side you get to eat plenty of chips... just avoid the chip with the asprin inside, cause apparently you can neither burp or fart.

Take The Which Stupid Creature Are You Test at HelloQuizzy

[Grut]

I, too, hope it works: but I’d be happier if the Uppsala staff included a professional illusionist.

[Kevmo]

Same here.

[Kevmo]

I lost a lot of respect for the Energy from Thorium crowd.

http://www.energyfromthorium.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3206&hilit=cold+fusion

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2731436/posts

They didn’t just block a thread about cold fusion (where there was some fascinating discussion about Thorium possibly being the “catalyst”) but they deleted it. What do they have to hide?

I’m glad I captured what I did before it went down the black hole.

[RussP]

I don’t know why they did that, but neither do I care, because thorium is all we need for the next 1000 years at least. Read the little summary article I wrote at

http://RussP.us/thorium.htm

Let’s quit wasting time and get this thing going!

[Kevmo]

No thanks, but I like your website.

p.s. pictures of your Alaskan Malamute, Sara give a bad URL 404

[RussP]

Yeah, one of these days I should restore those picture. She’s a beautiful dog.

[Moonman62]

I lost a lot of respect for the Energy from Thorium crowd.

I just gained a lot of respect for them.

[Kevmo]

http://www.rupertwhite.co.uk/Letter_to_a_seagull.htm

[Moonman62]

Fraud 101: Techniques and Strategies for Understanding Fraud

[Kevmo]

Google result

Learning to Think Inductively
we modulate our behavior, helping them create appropriate environments and
tasks. Learning how to think inductively is the critical goal, and the students need ...

http://www.swltscience.wikispaces.com/file/view/3-1_MOTinductive.pdf -

[Moonman62]

The Complete Idiot's Guide To Frauds, Scams, and Cons

[Kevmo]

Nothing new from you, just more seagulling.

Squawk!: How to Stop Making Noise and Start Getting Results [Hardcover]

http://www.amazon.com/Squawk-Making-Noise-Getting-Results/dp/0061562343

Travis Bradberry
Travis Bradberry (Author)
› Visit Amazon’s Travis Bradberry Page
Find all the books, read about the author, and more.
See search results for this author
3.9 out of 5 stars See all reviews (93 customer reviews)
93 Reviews
5 star: (32)
4 star: (34)
3 star: (14)
2 star: (10)
1 star: (3)

› See all 93 customer reviews...

---

List Price: $19.95
Price: $14.08 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25. Details
You Save: $5.87 (29%)
o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o

In Stock.
Ships from and sold by Amazon.com.
Only 3 left in stock—order soon (more on the way).
Want it delivered Wednesday, September 7? Order it in the next 41 hours and 41 minutes, and choose One-Day Shipping at checkout. Details

40 new from $0.93 34 used from $0.28

---

Editorial Reviews
Review
“I’ve been talking about seagull management for years. If you want to understand how to turn it around, read Travis Bradberry’s Squawk!” (Ken Blanchard, coauthor of The One Minute Manager (R) and The One Minute Entrepreneur (TM) )

“There are several powerful leadership messages woven into this entertaining and memorable parable—teaching me when I was least prepared (and most ready) for it. I have a list of ten colleagues who will be getting a most-unexpected gift.” (Kenneth Forster, director, Global Customer Strategy, the Coca-Cola Company )

“Dr. Bradberry provides a wonderful solution with an easy-to-understand and utilize three-step model that allows you to engage your team and generate improved results. Read it, and you’ll see a positive change in your future!” (Robert Savage, COO, Taco Bell, Yum Brands )

“Squawk! is simple, yet powerful, and very entertaining. It provides a valuable illustration of how to get more from your team, and I was able to get through it in just one flight.” (Dennis Sadlowski, president and CEO, Siemens Energy and Automation )

“Squawk has a central theme I find near and dear—the tendency of managers to move so fast from problem to problem that they forget people are involved. People need time and attention, and this book is an important reminder that great management doesn’t happen on the fly.” (Stephen Lundin, coauthor of Fish! (R) and author of Cats )

“Companies are losing their top talent every day, and many of those departing do so on entrepreneurial wings. If you want to prevent this and learn to keep your flock together in friendlier skies, read this little fable and take its big lessons to heart!” (Michael E. Gerber, bestselling author of the E-Myth and Awakening the Entrepreneur Within )

“Squawk! is as profound as it is fun! A must-read for every manager.” (Ron McMillan, bestselling coauthor of Crucial Conversations, Crucial Confrontations, and Influencer )
Product Description
Unfortunately, we’ve all seen it happen. When faced with a problem, rather than working cooperatively to come up with a solution, your manager or colleagues come swooping in, squawking loudly, dump orders riddled with formulaic advice, and then take off, leaving you and everyone else to clean up the mess. Or—let’s be honest: there may have been a time (or three) when you have been guilty of doing that very thing yourself.

While this happens in every workplace worldwide more frequently than ever, it doesn’t have to. Through the story of Charlie, a seagull who doesn’t understand how his management actions are holding back his flock, Travis Bradberry, Ph.D., reveals the three virtues of great leadership that he has used to help thousands of people and organizations deal with seagull managers in the workplace and, just as important, to avoid being one themselves.

Charlie the seagull is a well-intentioned manager who, when faced with new challenges after previously leading his flock to success, fails to understand how his management style is holding back, rather than helping, his team. Through our bird’s-eye view of Charlie, overconfident Scott, quiet Maya, practical Yufan, and skinny, shy Alfred, we see them and the rest of the flock struggle to solve their problems while absorbing the three virtues of great leadership and teamwork along the way. This entertaining and illuminating fable will help make us all more productive, less prone to depositing messes on the heads of those around us, and more able to work effectively with those who continue to squawk at us every day.

[Kevmo]

Time for me to hit the hay, so consider this my retort to whatever stupid link you’re going to post.

01010011 01010100 01000110 01010101 00101100 00100000 01110011 01100101 01100001 01100111 01110101 01101100 01101100

Fun Binary Converter
http://www.paulschou.com/tools/xlate/