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To: wintertime
You can save the insults and personal attacks. Your fingers need a rest, and they're not going to bother me one bit.

Would a government school that enforced a religious indoctrination consistent with your religous believe be acceptable to you?

If private schools are the only answer, and only a religious indoctrination based education is acceptable, who should decide what religion a child who has become a ward of the state will be indoctrinated into?

77 posted on 09/21/2011 12:28:26 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic; Monterrosa-24
Would a government school that enforced a religious indoctrination consistent with your religous believe be acceptable to you?
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Absolute not! Any government powerful enough to force my religious, cultural, and political worldview on other people's children is powerful enough to force the voting mob's worldview on me and my family!

Government schools have ALWAYS forced religious indoctrination on all children who attended. Why? Because ALL education is profoundly religious. A religiously neutral education is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Get it?

So....NO! I do NOT NOT NOT NOT support government schooling because it does indeed force religion on children. While at first the religious worldview forced on children in the first government schools ( mid-1800s to early 1900s) was a generic and lukewarm Protestantism, today the government religion taught in the schools is atheistic secular humanism!!!

There is only one possible solution that is compatible with the First Amendment and freedom of conscience. Complete separation of school and state. It would be the parents who would choose the religious indoctrination for the child whether that be God-centered or godless. And, please remember that neither godless or God-centered is religiously neutral. Both have profoundly NON-neutral religious, political, and cultural consequences for the child and for all of society.

Again....Can I be any plainer?

NO! I do NOT NOT NOT NOT support government schooling because it does indeed force religion on children. It always has. It does now, and always will!

Yes! Yes! Yes! I do support parents choosing the religious worldview for their own children in private settings. No matter what they do they **will** choose a religious worldview. That worldview will be either godless or God-centered.

After this, no more! I will conclude that you are being deliberately and maliciously dense, or that your liberal/Marxist teachers have so thoroughly scrambled your brains and you are incapable of rational thought. As Yuri Bezmenov would say, “demoralized”.

78 posted on 09/21/2011 12:46:20 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: tacticalogic; Monterrosa-24
Would a government school that enforced a religious indoctrination consistent with your religous believe be acceptable to you?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Absolute not! Any government powerful enough to force my religious, cultural, and political worldview on other people's children is powerful enough to force the voting mob's worldview on me and my family!

Government schools have ALWAYS forced religious indoctrination on all children who attended. Why? Because ALL education is profoundly religious. A religiously neutral education is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Get it?

So....NO! I do NOT NOT NOT NOT support government schooling because it does indeed force religion on children. While at first the religious worldview forced on children in the first government schools ( mid-1800s to early 1900s) was a generic and lukewarm Protestantism, today the government religion taught in the schools is atheistic secular humanism!!!

There is only one possible solution that is compatible with the First Amendment and freedom of conscience. Complete separation of school and state. It would be the parents who would choose the religious indoctrination for the child whether that be God-centered or godless. And, please remember that neither godless or God-centered is religiously neutral. Both have profoundly NON-neutral religious, political, and cultural consequences for the child and for all of society.

Again....Can I be any plainer?

NO! I do NOT NOT NOT NOT support government schooling because it does indeed force religion on children. It always has. It does now, and always will!

Yes! Yes! Yes! I do support parents choosing the religious worldview for their own children in private settings. No matter what they do they **will** choose a religious worldview. That worldview will be either godless or God-centered.

After this, no more! I will conclude that you are being deliberately and maliciously dense, or that your liberal/Marxist teachers have so thoroughly scrambled your brains and you are incapable of rational thought. As Yuri Bezmenov would say, “demoralized”.

79 posted on 09/21/2011 12:46:51 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: tacticalogic
If private schools are the only answer, and only a religious indoctrination based education is acceptable, who should decide what religion a child who has become a ward of the state will be indoctrinated into?
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1)Private education is the only answer compatible with First Amendment human rights and freedom of consciences.

2) All education is religious indoctrination. A religiously neutral education is impossible.

3) Parents, and the teachers ( tutors) they selected, would mutually agree upon the religious worldview taught. They **MUST** choose between either a godless or God-centered religious worldview and neither of these two religious worldview is religiously neutral in content or consequences.

4) As for wards of the state: It would be a very very very rare child that has absolutely no family. Even if it is the state who is paying for the care of the child, the nearest responsible adult in that child family would choose the religious setting for that child. ( Even if it were a 4th cousin five times removed.) The Mormon genealogy records could help locate these people. There is now DNA genealogy tracing, as well.

81 posted on 09/21/2011 12:57:17 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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