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To: kabar
I know what the text of the bill is. I even posted a link to it so there is no need for you to attempt to "school me". Or did you not read down the thread and you automatically assumed you were dealing with an ignorant person?

We have converted our passports and visas to biometrics to make them harder to falsify.

An Electronic Passport is the same as a traditional passport with the addition of a small integrated circuit (or “chip”) embedded in the back cover. The chip stores:
The same data visually displayed on the data page of the passport;
A biometric identifier in the form of a digital image of the passport photograph, which will facilitate the use of face recognition technology at ports-of-entry;
The unique chip identification number; and
A digital signature to protect the stored data from alteration.

And? Can they still be falsified? Are they any more protected than the ones that came before it? They can and they are being forged.
So much for that convenient government excuse. It's rather a shame that people swallowed it so readily. All the government did with those new changes was make it harder to spot fakes because the forger has to create an increasingly more sophisticated 'document' which is harder to detect as a forgery.

Plain and simple...this is a crap bill IMO. It could have been much more concise to perform a very specific function. It's too verbose and too vulnerable to later manipulation by regulation. (consider the EPA's current actions with changing regulations as a precursor) And what was once voluntary may become mandatory. That's a scary thought because even I advocate making E-Verify mandatory.
Ultimately the question becomes..."Just how much information should the government be allowed to collect on it's Citizens?"

Besides, why do the Citizens of America continually have to pay the price for the federal government's inability to do its job? This is just one more case.
I've said my piece.

70 posted on 09/19/2011 8:42:27 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
And? Can they still be falsified? Are they any more protected than the ones that came before it? They can and they are being forged.

Yes, they are more difficult to be forged. And it is easier to track people entering and leaving the US. 40% of the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country come here legally and overstay their visas.

So much for that convenient government excuse. It's rather a shame that people swallowed it so readily. All the government did with those new changes was make it harder to spot fakes because the forger has to create an increasingly more sophisticated 'document' which is harder to detect as a forgery.

LOL. How can anyone argue with logic like that? I guess we shouldn't do anything to protect our passports, money, etc. because the forgery will be easier to detect. LOL.

Plain and simple...this is a crap bill IMO. It could have been much more concise to perform a very specific function. It's too verbose and too vulnerable to later manipulation by regulation. (consider the EPA's current actions with changing regulations as a precursor) And what was once voluntary may become mandatory. That's a scary thought because even I advocate making E-Verify mandatory. Ultimately the question becomes..."Just how much information should the government be allowed to collect on it's Citizens?"

Or how much information should we collect on illegal aliens who take American jobs, depress wages, commit crimes that kill and injure tens of thousands of citizens, and result in more than a $100 billion a year being spent on their education, health care, and imprisonment?

And how naive are you about how bills are written and passed? Without some of that language you disdain, it is doubtful the bill could be passed. As someone who is deeply involved in the immigration issue and lobbies on the Hill and in Richmond, I have specific problems with this bill related to the role of the state in enforcing immigration laws. The SCOTUS decision upholding the 2007 AZ law that mandates E-verify for all businesses has sent shockwaves throughout the establishment, especially the Chamber of Commerce.

This bill is being supported by the Chamber because they are afraid that many more states will emulate the AZ bill. They would rather have a national law that supercedes state law, i.e., essentially neutering the AZ law and other tough state laws. This bill will not be enforced by the federal government like the AZ law. Steve King is trying to amend it to protect the states rights to have tough laws and enforcement. Some good immigration organizations have decided to back the bill despite the weaknesses believing that having a national law will get E-Verify into states like NY and CA. Kris Kobach, the author of the AZ law as well as AZ 1070 has reservations as well.

Besides, why do the Citizens of America continually have to pay the price for the federal government's inability to do its job? This is just one more case. I've said my piece.

The American people are paying a terrible price now. We are losing this country thru our existing legal immigration policies and to illegal immigration. Cheap exploitable labor is being supported by businesses to help their bottom line. But the real costs are being paid by the taxpayer in blood and treasure.

75 posted on 09/19/2011 9:49:33 PM PDT by kabar
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