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To: DJ MacWoW
-- the Fromms live in a neighborhood with large homes and have a corral, barn, pool and huge back lawn on their property, so parking and noise aren't a problem. --

Yes, I read that. As for the noise part, at least during the study, I'm pretty sure I agree it's "not a problem," meaning it's not detectable or bothersome to neighbors.

I don't know the details of the parking or traffic flow, but the practice has added 10-20, maybe more cars, coming and going in a tight time window. Most neighbors have no issue with it, but one does, and the code is what it is.

I think the code is too restrictive, with "3" (which is usually not including householders) being the line where a use permit is required, and Fromms can argue that to a judge. The 1st amendment is not going to help them AT ALL. Not any more than the 2nd amendment helped Presser when he said he didn't need a parade permit, because his parade is armed, and requiring a permit offends the 2nd amendment.

51 posted on 09/19/2011 11:44:20 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
The 1st amendment is not going to help them AT ALL.

Well, if previous cases where this sort of thing has been at issue are any indication, actually it will.

53 posted on 09/19/2011 11:46:35 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: Cboldt
Yup. One sour puss complained. These people have a large property. There is no singing. Are you actually saying that people are not allowed to use their home anytime they wish to entertain in any manner they wish? They have broken no parking laws or noise restrictions. The Commie law specifically states "No religious gatherings".

Chuck and Stephanie Fromm are in violation of municipal code 9-3.301, which prohibits “religious, fraternal or non-profit” organizations in residential neighborhoods without a permit.

The federal Constitution prohibits that. I doubt the California state constitution allows that sort of law either. Is this America or not?

64 posted on 09/19/2011 11:51:44 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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