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To: Cboldt
I know it was absurd, I even said so. It was deliberately absurd in order to get you to agree that some land use restrictions are reasonable.

That has absolutely NOTHING to do with trying to regulate where and when people can read a Bible.

This isn't a zoning issue.

code 9-3.301, which prohibits “religious, fraternal or non-profit” organizations in residential neighborhoods without a permit.

They are specifically targeting religious groups. Tell me what governing body has the RIGHT to regulate the reading of the Bible. That is NOT a strawman.

"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

I am an American. I am not now, nor will I ever be, one of governments Pavlov dogs.

155 posted on 09/19/2011 1:07:27 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW
-- That has absolutely NOTHING to do with trying to regulate where and when people can read a Bible. --

Well, yes, land use and reading bibles can intersect. See towns that regulate the building of churches via zoning (not that this case represents a church, I've said it doesn't, and that it isn't a 1st amendment case, even though Fromm argues it is. Presser argued that parade permits were unconstitutional, as long as everybody in the parade is armed - "See 2nd amendment" said he).

-- This isn't a zoning issue. --

Umm, yeah, it is. Well, zoning, or land use, or restriction on use, whatever you want to call it. That snippet of code is a land use regulation, and it aims to be religion neutral by also applying to non-religious activities, "fraternal or non-profit" is in there. And the restriction is narrow, in that it only applies in residential neighborhoods. It also provides a process whereby somebody can seek a waiver, a use permit, if you will.

-- They are specifically targeting religious groups. --

The asshole neighbor might be, for all I know. I don't suspect the town is, as it would stir up quite a hornet's nest.

-- Tell me what governing body has the RIGHT to regulate the reading of the Bible. That is NOT a strawman. --

Well, might not be a strawman, but you need to provide a bit more situational context than "reading the Bible" in order for the question to have any value.

-- I am not now, nor will I ever be, one of governments Pavlov dogs. --

You could make that a tagline, then I wouldn't have that reason to think you were trying to be an asshole toward me.

160 posted on 09/19/2011 1:18:32 PM PDT by Cboldt
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