Posted on 09/19/2011 9:00:05 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper
Be careful!
You’re going to run out of exclamation points!
Wells Fargo did not pay for the plane - they leased it to the campaign - you know, kind of like renting a car from Avis???
He also voted for Bush41 in the general election of 1988. I don't know how old you are, but I remember the 1988 election, and while I was not a Democrat, I was darned sure looking for someone a lot more conservative than Poppy Bush in the primary. So I don't find it unreasonable that a registered Dem would try to find a more conservative alternative - at that point, Gore at least appeared to be relatively conservative, especially when compared to the alternatives. OF course, once it was down to Poppy and Dukakis, Poppy was the more conservative choice.
You are obviously ignorant of Reagan Democrats and the whole process whereby most of the Southern Dems moved into the GOP. There were a lot of pro-life Democrats even as late as the 1990's (remember Bob Casey, Sr. and Zell Miller?) So the idea that a pro-life Christian could still be a Southern Democrat in the 1980's is not only reasonable, it was actually quite common.
It would be illegal for any candidate to get something like this as a free "perk" - it would be considered an in-kind donation, and just one trip would put them over the legal contribution limit. So Perry's campaign has just chosen to lease a private plane rather than pay for commercial airline tickets - depending upon how many people are flying, it could very well be cheaper for them.
Two problems. First, with a large staff, it is probably cheaper to lease the private jet than to fly commercial.
Second, you are at the mercy of the commercial airline routes and schedules. They may not have flights going to the cities you need to visit, or they may not have flights going at the times you need in order to get to the events that are scheduled on time.
You've got to be frickin' kidding me! I don't resent anyone who earns and spends their own money. In fact, I applaud them. Perry isn't spending HIS money, he's flying on the taxpayers' dime. If he is on a campaign trip, he is flying on the donors' dimes. Don't you get tired of people who spend other peoples' money as extravagantly as they do? Wouldn't wise use of our dollars show good stewardship?
The fact that so many here will not question the spending explains why we are $14 trillion in debt.
BTW; I'm not saying that one cannot charter jets if that is the best way. I'd also expect Perry, should he get the nomination, to have a campaign jet. I am saying that those people work for us, they are not royalty.
FR's IQ has just gone up. Addition by subtraction.
I do not think she has been misleading us from the start. After mccain, many of us encouraged her to run (I made my first PALIN bumper sticker by cutting out mclame), in hindsight maybe a bit against her better judgement. Then came all the bad press on her as Governor. When the Tea Parties boosted her to stardom and she suddenly saw million dollar deals were possible combined with all the dirty politics she was being hit with, she found it beneficial to play up her publicity to, as I say, make hay while the sun shines.
Trying to be in both TV world and Tea Party politics world had to be very conflicting and “I” saw her gradually begin to pull back from the political. Lots of her followers must have seen it as well, because they began clammering if not demanding she run. Now she’s damn if she does and damn if she does not.
I really hope her and Perry would team up. In all honesty she is a little short in Administrative experience, more than the WON, but just barely and this election will probably be on “experience”, which Perry has. If she were VP, I think she would grow to shine brighter than we ever thought possible and someday become one of our greatest Presidents.
I am pretty sure he is not flying on the tax payers dime - under campaign law, it has to be campaign funds. If its the Texas state jet - or the Wells Fargo jet - then the Perry campaign has to be paying the state or the bank for use of it. And my point, that you ignored, is that using a jet like that might well be the most cost efficient way for a candidate and key staffers to travel. Chartering planes is damned expensive too by the way. In effect, they likely are chartering this jet.
These things are pretty tightly regulated. And with Claire McCaskill just getting nailed for misuse of this type, you can bet people are watching.
Which doesn’t change the fact that your rhetoric was right out of Obama Class Envy 101 — and assuming that it is an “extravagant” use of money simply because the jet is shiny when you don’t know anything about the financing of it and the cost benefit analysis that went into it - let alone the fact that one of his big advantages is his image - just shows that envy thing coming to the surface.
As the saying goes, we’ll see whose assisblackest, winoone.
Perry also has a job. And a governor doesn’t enjoy the luxury of Air Force 1.
I suppose during national elections, you’ve insisted on Dole, McCain, et al, flying on Southwest Air?
Time wouldn’t have been an issue, so why try to arrange point-to-point transportation.
I am for Gov Sarah Palin.
My point about Perry endorsing Rudy??? Here is a guy that says he was on the wrong side of the Christian issues back in the day. He terribly regrets it...something like I found God and Perry went to hell
I know the 2nd part Perry said, and Gore went to hell, first part was something like I found, or I went and Gore went to hell.
He also says he found God at the age of 27 while in the Air Force
In trying to convince people to not hold Gore against him now, he says basically that he found God and he regrets his years with the pro abortion party...I paraphrase.
So in 2008 this now Christian man that regretted his past positions, now feels that Rudy is the way to go in 2008. A guy that is pro abortion/pro gay marriage you name it.
We are to believe now that Christ is #1 in his life, his main hope is to have non Christians converted to Christ... according to the prayer meeting he had PRAISE THE LORD! But in 2008 he thought a pro abortion anti Christian fellow was the best hope for America
So did this new walk with the Lord start pre 2008 or after 2008? Some holes in the story, I am allowed to ask right?
I liked Fred Thompson as well, Sam Brownback...I was thrilled when McCain picked Sarah
You are very reasonable.
How do we know he voted for Bush? Because he says so?
I hope someone looks into this, probably could find what he said to folks at the time.
As far as pro life democrats went? If they voted for a Democrat President, in my opinion they could not call themselves pro life.
I have held this view years before I ever heard of Perry. I am on record here at FR multiple/dozens of times saying there is no such thing as a “Christian Democrat” In fact I have taken a lot of heat for that, it`s what I believe.
Forget about Perry altogether...Anybody that votes Democrat supports abortion, the removal of Christ/The Word of God from the classroom/public square, this is something that I deeply believe.
The arguments have been made, a vote for a Democrat is a vote for all these evils, does not matter if it was in the 1980`s or 2011. Anybody that votes Democrat has blood on their hands as far as I am concerned.
Great. Me too, if she runs. Perry's my guy (so far) if she doesn't.
So in 2008 this now Christian man that regretted his past positions, now feels that Rudy is the way to go in 2008. A guy that is pro abortion/pro gay marriage you name it.
Again, Rudy wasn't my guy in 2008, but I don't see one endorsement I don't like as a disqualifier. If it was, you might have a hard time supporting Palin, since she heartily endorsed Perry in his last gubernatorial run.
So did this new walk with the Lord start pre 2008 or after 2008? Some holes in the story, I am allowed to ask right?
Sure, ask away - but keep in mind that it's possible that Perry is a committed Christian and saw Rudy in a different light than you did, or had different priorities for his endorsement (i.e. national security) or whatever. Or maybe he just made a bad decision. It happens to the best of us.
I liked Fred Thompson as well, Sam Brownback...I was thrilled when McCain picked Sarah
I had been pulling for McCain to pick Sarah for weeks before he actually did, and was dumbfounded when it happened, because McCain's an idiot. Just about the only thing McCain ever did that I agreed with.
How do we know you voted for Reagan or Bush or whomever? The only thing anyone can go on with regard to votes is the testimony of the individual, and there is absolutely nothing in the public record to contradict him. It is also consistent with the voting patterns of a lot of Southern Democrats during that time - they voted Dem in local races (usually because there were few Republicans to vote for), but GOP in national races.
As far as pro life democrats went? If they voted for a Democrat President, in my opinion they could not call themselves pro life.
Well, aren't we lucky to have you as the arbiter of who is and isn't pro-life! Nice to know that you can see into people's hearts - I thought only God could do that.
I am on record here at FR multiple/dozens of times saying there is no such thing as a “Christian Democrat” In fact I have taken a lot of heat for that, it`s what I believe.
As well you should. That is an asinine position, to attempt to conflate one's political affiliation with one's Christianity. That is arrogant and ignorant. But it is a good thing to know about you - now I can ignore anything further that you say.
Are you trying to suggest that people that voted for a Democrat President were unaware that the Democrat party platform was not pro life, and was not Christian?
Are you trying to say that they did not know that a vote for a Democrat was not a vote for a liberal Supreme court judge?
Are you also going to try and argue that so called Christians that voted for Obama,Carter and Clinton are not responsible for their votes that lead to the appointment of liberal judges?
Or are you saying now they are responsible, but they were not in the 1980`s?
Thanks, many of the paulnutz and Perry trashers may not agree, but hey you have to fight fire with fire.
Thank You
Seriously? Most voters don’t know, and don’t care, what’s in the party platforms. They are meaningless to the average voter.
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