BOTH sides of the aisle are selling us down the river.
Agreed. I have said many times that we don't need a third party, we need a second party.
Right now, the closest thing up there to a Reagan Conservative is Perry
I am not impressed with Perry as a true conservative, but he would be better than Obama.
If you aren't voting for a dyed-in-the-wool, rock-ribbed Conservative, you are simply whistling past the graveyard.
And if you aren't casting a vote against Obama, you are wasting your civic duty to support and defend our country and its constitution.
Some plastic-banana, feel-good win ain't gonna change a damn thing.
I don't get the whole banana thing, but I will feel very good about sending Obama and his puppet masters into retirement.
it cannot be fixed without a total reboot
So who is your candidate? Who is a true conservative, and can win the primaries and defeat Obama? Please, I'd love to find that person and get on board. We all would.
Principles are 'first things'... You do right because it is the right thing to do.
Absolutely agree. That's why my first principle is to defeat Obama. It's the right thing to do. It's just my opinion based on my analysis.
Where the hell did you get the idea that there is victory in compromise on our side?
I never asked for compromise. Maybe that's where you misunderstand me. Getting rid of Obama is job one at this point in America. He is the enemy coming over the wall. He and his little group are eroding our chances of ever rebuilding our country back to the founding fathers' vision.
We just disagree on priorities, but we agree on a lot. I respect your strong principled views, but I believe we have an emergency situation this time around.
I also believe the Obama presidency is creating and fortifying conservatives all across this great country. This tipping point on which we find ourselves may prove to be a great moment for conservative Americans and for the country. We may well be thanking him like we thanked Carter for giving us President Reagan.
Thanks, roamer. I look forward to reading more of your posts on other threads.
If that is your first principle, you are no friend of liberty and no friend of the Constitution. roamer is right: this country needs a reboot.
"Defeat Candidate X" cannot ever be a first principle.
Junk like this, and most of the last 202 posts, is why I haven't posted in a Palin thread in months.
I am not impressed with Perry as a true conservative, but he would be better than Obama.
First, I did not say I was impressed by Perry - What I said was that Perry was the closest thing to a Reagan (true) Conservative in the field, in that he possesses the record and ability to serve all conservative factions. It is the quality of that service that I would question, not the service itself. You may recall that I said that quality was not sufficient for me to vote for him.
As to his being better than Obama - What does that matter? A ham sandwich would be a better president that any of them, in that it, like a true Conservative, would be incapable of destroying any part of our Constitutional Republic, and would by nature be unable to subvert the Constitution itself. A ham sandwich would not sign away any sovereignty, and would by virtue of it's inanimate state, be guaranteed to sign no bill increasing spending, and would in fact, by that same nature, cut off all spending for it's entire term. By that predicted method, such a sandwich would be a federalist too, since the states would be forced to pick up the slack. That's one helluva lot more gravitas than we can expect from anyone in the current field.
And if you aren't casting a vote against Obama, you are wasting your civic duty to support and defend our country and its constitution.
That is a scurrilous and tiresome charge, which is wholly without merit. One who votes *for* Obama votes for Obama. All others lend him nothing, even those who vote 3rd party or object by abstention. In fact, abstaining from a vote for a lesser evil is more honorable, more principled, than the vote of expediency or popularity. Our fathers clearly desired our people to vote their conscience, knowing they will sleep well, having voted for the capable statesman whose honor and committed nature cause him to be worthy of the office.
And in withholding their votes, they better guarantee the next pass will be more to their liking, as the party who wishes to win will court them with a qualified suitor. Otherwise, they will always be faced with an unqualified field of suitors, and be faced with a whore's choice - even as we have right now.
I don't get the whole banana thing, but I will feel very good about sending Obama and his puppet masters into retirement.
I can say that if one replaces him with a globalist Republican, that good feeling will be short lived, and that within a very short while, you will certainly rue the day. What good to settle for a candidate who will grant general amnesty to illegal aliens, or sign the "Law of the Sea" treaty, or push forward the NAU, not to mention mere (however dire) finances?
So who is your candidate? Who is a true conservative, and can win the primaries and defeat Obama? Please, I'd love to find that person and get on board. We all would.
I currently support no candidate, though I am leaning heavily toward that ham sandwich. As it is now, *none of the above* are satisfactory (to include Palin, btw). If the criteria for a Conservative are met in a late comer, or third party (which will almost certainly happen), I will cast my vote there - else-wise I will concentrate on the down ticket.
Absolutely agree. That's why my first principle is to defeat Obama. It's the right thing to do. It's just my opinion based on my analysis.
LOL! While I appreciate the sentiment, that is not a principle at all. Principles are found in the founder's documents, the Judeo-Christian Ethic, the immovable basic 'first things' of the various conservative factions, and etc... Things to vote *for*. Yours is a vote of expediency if you will think about it.
I never asked for compromise. Maybe that's where you misunderstand me. Getting rid of Obama is job one at this point in America. He is the enemy coming over the wall. He and his little group are eroding our chances of ever rebuilding our country back to the founding fathers' vision.
I quite fervently disagree (all the way around). Obama is a declared enemy in the field. He is nowhere near as dangerous as the turncoats in our midst, who are already past the gate, and who speak in whispers to itching ears. Again, it is the lack of opposition that gives liberalism any foothold at all. And you do ask me to compromise - I vote in a principled manner, finding a candidate to vote *for*. 'ABO' flies directly in the face of that.
I also believe the Obama presidency is creating and fortifying conservatives all across this great country. This tipping point on which we find ourselves may prove to be a great moment for conservative Americans and for the country. We may well be thanking him like we thanked Carter for giving us President Reagan.
You may well be right - Obama is very comparable to Carter. But Reagan brought us the Bushes, and the eventual betrayal of the 94 congress. That is not Reagan's fault - but our own for becoming comfortable and eschewing vigilance... And in better than 20 years, the Conservative cause has seen very little advancement, and has suffered defeat and apathy at the hands of... (wait for it)... REPUBLICANS! Reaganism, with the exception of a small band of merry men in the House, left with Reagan. It is the populist vote and the vote of expedience which has wrought this bitter fruit. Baker necons dressed as 'conservatives' fooled us all for a while. But there is really no excuse. Let's endeavor to fill our elected houses with Conservatives this time, as we have no time left to lose.
Thanks, roamer. I look forward to reading more of your posts on other threads.
Likewise, and have a good day.