Posted on 09/16/2011 5:40:16 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty
As the debates rage on among GOP presidential hopefuls, one particular issue has caught my attention. Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., has entered a particularly bitter battle with Gov. Rick Perry over his 2007 executive order requiring that all sixth-grade Texas girls be vaccinated against the human papillomavirus (HPV), which is a risk factor for developing cervical cancer.
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It was effectively mandatory, as the opt-out was a difficult, phantom procedure. It wasn’t a real opt-out. How many times does that have to be explained before people understand it?
You can make it whatever issue you decide. BUT NO honest politician can wrap themselves in the TEA PARTY remembrance IF they have the idea that some taxation-mandates without representation are acceptable. IT is the principle of getting the CONSENT of the governed, NOT US being the servant of the state.
Gardasil links:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/09/13/the-right-and-wrong-way-to-talk-about-gardasil/
“Perry’s MANDATE on families and the MANDATE on insurers going over the heads of the state legislature versus the Palin administration’s decision to accept federal subsidies to increase access to those who choose to take it.
“The Perry executive order would have ordered Texas health officials to use federal Medicaid funding to cover the vaccine for young women — a cost that would have been borne by millions of taxpayers outside Texas.”
http://sayno2gardasil.blogspot.com/
“If you don’t know who he is, he’s the Republican governor of Texas who issued an executive order mandating girls be vaccinated that sparked an uproar both from Texas lawmakers who sought to overturn his order, along with parents and medical groups. Perry himself has ties to Merck, and Merck funded $5000 towards his election campaign.”
(Actually, it was $30,000.)
http://www.conservativehq.com/article/why-rick-perrys-gardasil-mandate-matters
“On February 2, 2007, Texas Governor Rick Perry issued an executive order requiring that all girls receive an HPV vaccine prior to admission into the sixth grade.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/02/health/main2427919.shtml
“Bypassing the Legislature, Republican Gov. Rick Perry signed an order Friday making Texas the first state to require that schoolgirls get vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer.
“By issuing an executive order, Perry apparently sidesteps opposition in the Legislature from conservatives and parents’ rights groups who fear such a requirement would condone premarital sex and interfere with the way parents raise their children.
“Beginning in September 2008, girls entering the sixth grade — meaning, generally, girls ages 11 and 12 — will have to get Gardasil, Merck & Co.’s new vaccine against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV.
“Texas allows parents to opt out of inoculations by filing an affidavit objecting to the vaccine on religious or philosophical reasons. Even with such provisions, however, conservative groups say such requirements interfere with parents’ rights to make medical decisions for their children.”
Exactly, and the opt-out required a proactive act by parents, when they were often not told of the availability of the opt-out.
And Gardasil isn’t exactly great stuff:
http://www.naturalnews.com/033585_Gardasil_contamination.html
“In seeking answers to why adolescent girls are suffering devastating health damage after being injected with HPV vaccines, SANE Vax, Inc decided to have vials of Gardasil tested in a laboratory. There, they found over a dozen Gardasil vaccine vials to be contaminated with rDNA of the Human Papillomavirus (HPV).”
Absolutely not.
The opt out had become very difficult, but the Governor’s EO made it easier and that part is still in effect.
Prior to the EO, parents had to write to Austin or go there in person to request to request the affidavit form that is given to the school.
The Governor’s EO stated that the form to request the form be made available on line. Parents may now go on line, fill out a request for each child, and the form is mailed to them. (They or their doctor fill out the form, it is turned into the school, and no record is returned to Austin.)
One very big step and a lot of time is saved this way.
A Google search yielded this information with the State law,
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/texas.aspx
and this site at the Department of State Health Services,
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/immunize/school/default.shtm#infoforschoolchildcare
with the form, here
https://webds.dshs.state.tx.us/immco/affidavit.shtm
The Governor makes a clear distinction between the Federal and State government and their powers.
Here’s what the Governor said in “Fed Up!” (Kindle Edition)
“The statists believe in a powerful, activist central government that advances a radical secular agenda in the name of compassion. They hide behind misguided notions of empathy and push token talking points about fighting for the little guy, all the while empowering the federal government to coercively and blatantly undermine state-, local-, and self-governance.” p.13
“Republicans often aren’t on the right page - indeed, some aren’t even in the right chapter. But most are in the right book. Most Democrats today, on the other hand, can’t even find the library.” p. 14
“The truth is, I don’t care what party the statist is in. The fact of the matter is, it is the statist, and those who support or enable him, who is the problem. For too long he has undermined this country by empowering the national government at the expense of liberty. An America defined by the statist in Washington is an America doomed to fail.” location 338
“Our cause is simple: to restore the balance of power intended by our Founders but forsaken by secular progressives determined to say what government will do for the people rather than allowing people to do what they can do for themselves. Our goal is to take power away from Washington and instead empower states, communities, and individuals, because America’s future greatness is inextricably intertwined with states pushing back.” location 355
Quoting James Madison in the Federalist 45, “The powers reserved to the several states will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State.“ location 399
He has already said he went about it the wrong way. Does he still think it is a valid vaccine..I think so. Hep B is a sexually transmitted disease as well. Look at the states that require that vaccination..at very, very young ages. And actually there are several states (Virginia comes to mind) that mandate Gardisil.I did read this on FR...so it must be true. ;)
Michele scored some great points during the debate over this issue. But if she thinks she can ride this horse to the finish line..I fear she will be disappointed.
You can’t lump the in state tuition in with Gardasil and TTC.
Gardasil was a unilateral decision, one that he had authority to do as the head of the Executive Branch and the boss of the Commissioner of the Department of State Health Services, but he agrees that he should have gone about it differently.
TTC was also something the Governor had the authority to push, as it was an Executive Branch. However, the people voted on the law to allow toll roads, in a State wide Constitutional amendment election in 2001.
The in-state tuition on the other hand, has twice passed the House and the Senate with only a handful of opposition votes.
The Governor has absolutely focused on controlling the border, with judicious use of fences in populated areas and with troops, planes, helicopters, drone aircraft, and virtual fences including video and sensors.
Do you have any proof of any “sterilizations,” “toxins,” etc.?
(I’m one of those doctors you want to put in jail.)
What choice did he have but to back down? He thought he had the authority all on his own, and it did take some time for him to admit a mistake.
I do NOT want to hire another politician who speaks beatitudes but hands down curses.
Nonsense. Texas already had an opt-out law for conscience or religious reasons by filling out a simiple form from Texas' Health Dept. Perry's Gardisal EO (RP65) contained language that made it even easier to opt out, by requiring the form to be made available online.
It doesn't matter how many links are posted where Michelle Malkin, CBS or anyone else uses the word "mandatory." The fact was is was never mandatory, and Perry's EO made it easier than ever to opt out of Gardisal or any other immunization.
Exactly, and the opt-out required a proactive act by parents, when they were often not told of the availability of the opt-out.
As far as Garisal goes, there could not possibly have been any point where "they were often not told" of an opt out. The Gardisal immunization effort never saw the light of day. Nobody was told or not told as not of opting out of Gardisal; the EO was overturned.
On that point, parents who are concerned about childhood immunizations make it their business to know their rights. I know this because I am totally anti-forced immunization. There are several that I haven't given my 3 year old daughter - most especially those manufactured using fetal stem cell lines. I resent the fact that I have to jump through hoops every year. Also, FWIW, I think Perry (who was likely well intended) was wrong to do this, as he admitted.
That said there was never any forced immuniztion proposed, much less initiated. The issue has been completely blown out of proportion.
I have wrestled for a few days with whether to veto this bill, or let it become law without my signature. But the fact of the matter is, it will become law no matter what because the voice of the Legislature is clear. And rather than allowing this issue to be held captive one more day by legislative politics, and the inevitable posturing that will ensue during a veto override debate, I have decided to let it become law without my signature.
Your link has several problems.
We don’t give the shot to babies less than 6 months old. Your source uses the fact that babies don’t respond to the vaccine as proof of lack of efficacy. Instead, it’s proof that immature immune systems don’t respond the same way mature immune systems do and underscores the correct recommendation of the CDC. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/vax-summary.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/effectivenessqa.htm
The flu vaccine is 70-98% effective against the 3 strains of influenza included in that year’s shots. It will not affect other viruses. Since the strains are picked in the winter before the vaccine is used, sometimes new strains enter the population.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/effectivenessqa.htm
“”It is also important to keep in mind that measurement of vaccine effectiveness against a non-laboratory confirmed outcome is at least partially determined by how much of that outcome is actually caused by influenza viruses, as compared to other pathogens. For example, one non-laboratory confirmed outcome that is often used is ILI. The proportion of ILI’s caused by influenza versus other pathogens can vary by year, or even within a year.
“As illustrated in the theoretical example graphed below, there is a relationship between our estimates of vaccine efficacy and the proportion of all ILI’s (Influenza Like Illnesses) caused by influenza versus other pathogens. In this example, the vaccine was 75% effective against laboratory-confirmed influenza, but was 30% effective against ILI when influenza caused 40% of ILI’s in the unvaccinated group. The vaccine would be only 15% effective, however, if influenza caused only 20% of ILI’s. This is an important relationship to keep in mind, since there can be wide variation in the percentage of ILIs caused by influenza.”
To say that Gardasil has an opt-out is like saying the MMR and DPT vaccines have an opt-out. It is exactly the same opt-out in all the vaccines in the "mandatory" schedule.
I've read, but not confirmed that public schools have to accept the exemption certificate, but private schools do not, and many private schools reject applicants who use the exemption instead of medical evidence of vaccination.
FWIW, my opinion of the "opt out" line as making Gardasil "different" from the other mandatory vaccines, is that it is bigtime spin by Perry. Plus, if he really has conviction that Gardasil is such a valuable life saver, then he should stand by his conviction to make it mandatory, of course with the same opt-out that is available for medical, religious, and conscientious objection reasons available for any vaccine.
He absolutely had a choice. He chose not to take it. He has already said his approach was wrong. What else should happen? I guess we could burn him at the stake.
“beatitudes vs curses”...great line and I don’t think I can top it. Even if it doesn’t apply to the situation.
I am not a one issue voter. There are other issues that are far more revalent. During the guberatorial election I had a debate with a Freeper about bicycle legislation that Perry vetoed. The person thought he should be cast to the hot place.
No politician...none..can stay in office for as long as he has and not do controversial things. The ones on the debate stage..look at their length of service.
What the good doctor in the article failed to explain and what both Perry and Romney obviously have not researched for more that 2 minutes are several facts:
Almost no one, possibly no one, will be prevented from getting cancer by Gardisil.
Gardisil must be administered about age 12, BUT MERCK TRIALS SHOWED IN ONLY LASTS FIVE YEARS.
Human Papilloma Virus is an extremely complex sexually transmitted disease. It is at epidemic levels in the population. If you are sexually active, it’s almost a CERTAINTY YOU DO CARRY the HPV.
HPV has several strains - over 30, and due to the epidemic and the multiple-partner culture that has overtaken our society since the 1970’s, more strains are developing. You cannot keep up with the spread of HPV! As I say, you probably have it.
Now the important part, where the Candidates showed themselves to be fools. Merck’s Gardisil treats only a SMALL NUMBER of strains of HPV. The more virulent strains are not even the ones they could get in the vaccine.
Gardisil really should still be in the developmental phase, in the lab, not FDA approved. It’s a pathetic almost random shot at a FEW HPV strains, and you could have one or many other strains that lead or do not lead to cancer.
Cervical cancer is rare. Statistically it’s a tiny percentage of women because the pre-cancerous stages are caught with a yearly pap smear or cervical stain, and easily treated.
In conclusion, Gardisil is medically virtually useless.
Your post is some what contradictory.
i.e. If you are sexually active, it’s almost certain that you carry the virus. BUT cervical cancer is rare.
Really?
OK, but who cares if the controversial vaccine has nothing to do with influenza, but with a sexually transmitted disease, or rather a minority of the many strains of that disease (HPV), that in rare cases lead to cervical cancer?
Thanks for your response. I think you may have misread the research data referenced. It was a review of 51 different studies with over 290000 babies over 6 months old, not under. Also, the CDC guidelines recommend not to vaccinate if your are allergic to vaccinations. How does that sound? Not very reassuring. You have to be vaccinated in order to know if you will have a reaction.
2. Do flu shots work?
Not in babies: In a review of more than 51 studies involving more than
294,000 children it was found there was ?no evidence that injecting
children 6-24 months of age with a flu shot was any more effective than
placebo. In children over 2 yrs, it was only effective 33% of the time in
preventing the flu. Reference: Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy
children.” The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews. 2 (2008).
In addition, we do not know how many of the new syndromes manifesting within our society are a result of over vaccinating. That being said, in countries where poor sanitation, hygiene and health infrastructure is present, vaccination
may outweigh potential known and unknown risks. We do know that contaminated viral strains have been implicated in cancer tissues in offspring of mothers that were given the vaccine.
The bottom line is who do you believe? I believe that the human body has a “host defense system” that turns of and on when needed, provided that the toxic load is reduced to a minimum and nutrition is delivered consistently. This is the true way to reduce and prevent the symptoms of sickness. Vaccination should not be over used just as antibacterial soaps should not.
Thank you for the dialogue.
Stay Strong and In Great Health...
Yes, really. You see, just because you have HPV, which anyone who has had multiple partners probably does, does not mean the HPV will turn to cancer. That’s one.
Here’s two: HPV can only cause CERVICAL cancer. Have you looked at a cervix lately? Any woman can see her own with a mirror. It is very easy to see and feel by the doctor. Before cancer would ever be present, there are several stages of changes to the cervix, texture, color, etc. A visual by a doctor, plus a pap smear, and then if the tissue seems a bit odd for some reason, a punch biopsy will reveal any tissue abnormalities.
If there are any (pre-cancerous), a simply in office procedure called a “cone biopsy” almost always will remove those abnormal cells.
Now yes, some people are going to get cancer, the more you sleep around, the higher the risk, due to collecting more strains. Also, if someone does not have yearly exams, we can’t catch the abnormal tissue before it progresses to cancer.
But the key here is Gardisil, in its present formula, will do very little to reduce the number of women who get cancer.
70+% of the cases of cancer, as well as the abnormal paps that cause repeat paps, months of worry, and those “laser”or “freezing”,” and cervical incompetence that causes lost pregnancies or early births.
We’re seeing the expected decrease in those abnormal paps and none of the serious side effects that everyone claims happened are due to the vaccine. (Anyone can make a VAERS report, some of the reports of death were due to car wrecks, virtually all of the serious events had other explanations.)
I do agree that the vaccines need to each be evaluated on their own merits.
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