Posted on 09/16/2011 5:40:16 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty
As the debates rage on among GOP presidential hopefuls, one particular issue has caught my attention. Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., has entered a particularly bitter battle with Gov. Rick Perry over his 2007 executive order requiring that all sixth-grade Texas girls be vaccinated against the human papillomavirus (HPV), which is a risk factor for developing cervical cancer.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
“Wasn’t there a “parental opt out” option?”
It was a joke, which is why Bachmann is correct to say there should be an opt-IN option.
Here’s a good article, imo:
“Governor Perry is misleading legislators and families in Texas by claiming that they will be able to “opt-out” of having their 6th grade daughter vaccinated with the vaccine for the sexually transmitted virus HPV. For many families currently, the exemption isn’t worth the piece of paper it is printed on. Besides the simple fact that parents should not have to get permission from the state to make informed consent medical decisions for their own children, here are four reasons why “opting-out” of sate mandated vaccines doesn’t work for many families in Texas:
“Opt-out” or Conscientious Exemption to Vaccination Process is a Bureaucratic Nightmare”
excerpt http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/txoptout.php
“because she repeated what an audience member told her after the debate.”
Then the Perry supporters act as if Bachmann said it, when Bachmann was only repeating what a woman told her.
It’s what the Dems do, say a lie over and over, and it becomes the truth.
For those who don't accept Perry's apology and do not like the way he does things, fine don't vote for him in your Primary. It's not that difficult.
So, now can we focus on the economy?
“I think maybe she’s right - Gardisal is making her and many others “retarded.”’
Bachmann never SAID it made anyone retarded. All she did was repeat what a woman in the audience told her.
Well there has been little difference in how they have treated a 'woman' than the liberals do. Personally, given what I was taught as a child, that God said 'that woman' made Adam sin, 'woman' has been the problem since creation.
But if one reads what is Written, it was Adam NOT God that blamed 'that woman' and God for giving him 'that woman'. 'You know' that woman has her place, and Bachmann should have known her place was NOT to point out Perry's weaknesses.
Bachmann made a minor mistake, but those who are against her, are turning it into a lie, when she did not lie.
For some reason conservative women get treated worse, like Bachmann and Palin, even by so-called conservatives, at times.
Hillary can be caught in the most ridiculous lies, and seems to get away with it.
When Bachmann repeats what a woman in the audience said, people claim that Bachmann is lying, when she is just repeating another’s comment.
btw, do you think Perry should become POTUS when he insinuates people against ILLEGALS getting in-state tuition are prejudice?
PERRY said at the last debate:
“And the bottom line is it doesn’t make any difference what the sound of your last name is. That is the American way.”
excerpt http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/12/se.06.html
Either Perry is dense, or playing the race card, when he tries to insinuate that people against in-state tuitition for ILLEGALS are against it because of the ILLEGAL immigrant’s last name.
It most eyes 'that woman' should know her place, and it is most especially true in Republican circles... Now that is unless the man can find her useful... Say like old lord McCain.... IF Perry wins the nomination he will owe Bachmann BIG TIME because she gave him on the job training on a national stage.
But see you can really tell much about a candidate by his base, who the in-close political supporters are. Those who will be going to WDC to rule over US in the next administration. This 'vaccine' is demonstrative of the wholesale acceptance of taxation without representation for the 'better' good. Whether or not these Perry porters realize it they are schooling US as to who they are and what they find acceptable. 95% of the demonstrations are NOT a pretty picture.
“So, now can we focus on the economy?”
While the economy is important, I’m going to focus on the social conservative issues FIRST. Will God continue to bless our country, if we lose all morality?
It seems Perry supporters just decided to like him right off the bat, and no matter what he does, they just make weak excuses for it.
Perry supporters never took the time to vet him, which is a shame so early in the primaries.
Cboldt, Looks like you’ve got the basic information, from a good source. However, it’s only part of the story, because it does not include the evolution of the mandated vaccines over time in the Texas Legislature. The Lege had gradually mandated a core set of “opt out” vaccinations, delegated the mandating of other vaccines solely to the Commissioner of the Health Services, and made the opt out more and more restrictive.
From the buzz in 2007 in Austin, the Legislators themselves were surprised how difficult the opt out process had become, so they did not act against the portion of the Governor’s EO that mad it easier and available on line.
Sun, I was a member of the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons for years and wrote an amicus letter when we sued Hillary Clinton for her closed meetings on health care reform in the ‘90’s.
I dropped my membership and participation when it became increasingly clear that they weren’t attempting to - or couldn’t - moderate their leaders and their publications and lobbyists are apt to go off on emotional rants and crusades, without regard to facts.
Your link is a perfect example: they ignore the fact that the Governor’s EO changed the opt out to make the request available on line. (The mention of the arbitrary actions of one Catholic diocese is plain silly. The State of Texas is more reasonable than private religious schools? Well bad on the private schools and good on the Law of Texas.)
As I wrote, above:
Prior to the EO, parents had to write to Austin or go there in person to request to request the affidavit form that is given to the school.
The Governor’s EO stated that the form to request the form be made available on line. Parents may now go on line, fill out a request for each child, and the form is mailed to them. (They or their doctor fill out the form, it is turned into the school, and no record is returned to Austin.)
One very big step and a lot of time is saved this way.
A Google search yielded this information with the State law,
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/texas.aspx
and this site at the Department of State Health Services,
http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/immunize/school/default.shtm#infoforschoolchildcare
with the form, here
https://webds.dshs.state.tx.us/immco/affidavit.shtm
Well unfortunately there is nothing fiscally conservative about being socially liberal... what is acceptable is to share the cost of social liberalism. Now why is this 'vaccine' so demanded? Because the belief is in majority circles that 'everybody is doing it' so line US up for a vaccine. And make the tax payers and the health insurance consumers pay for the cost of production and the army of workers required to fill out the paper work and give the injection.
Now this is a tiniest of tiny in the huge expanse of government bureaucracy that has brought this nation to a halt. There are few actions any of us can do and not have a government tax/mandate attached at all levels of government. HENCE the 'TEA PARTY' NO more taxation/mandates without representation.
It is going to be a really hard and bitter battle to peel off all those socially liberal layers built up over time to 'free' US to be a functioning nation once again.
We did our due diligence, just like you did. In fact, I became more sure of Governor Perry’s suitability for President when I read his books, and in arguing against silly claims like Bachmann’s about Gardasil.
You should look into the hassles we’ve had here in Texas with the truthers, as well as at our victories in maintaining core values in our laws.
Do the women you know get pap smears (which are only for detecting the cellular changes that result from HPV infection at some time in their lives)?
Is that because they believe “everyone is doing it?”
I cannot answer that question. I do not ask the women I know how often they get a pap smear. Occasionally I will be told in passing of a scheduled visit. Only one time after a visit have I been told of a required procedure. The women in my world do not like to chat freely about what is to most women I know considered a most uncomfortable visit. The pap smear is 'routine' and not generally discussed. And most certainly NOT discussed with a 9 year old.
The women I know are disgusted about the too few parents that really care enough about their children, male and female, to teach them the consequences of 'doing it'. This vaccine is very limited in what it can protect from 'everybody doing it', which seems to never get discussed.
The first point, said another way, if HPV vaccination is "not mandatory" because of the opt out, then NO vaccine is mandatory, under Texas law. While that is technically true, given religious and medical exemptions, I think it is not the impression that Perry intended to leave, defending his EO. Is the measles vaccine mandatory in Texas? Would Perry say "Absolutely not, my EO saw to it that parent have an opt-out."?
-- The Lege had gradually mandated a core set of "opt out" vaccinations, delegated the mandating of other vaccines solely to the Commissioner of the Health Services, and made the opt out more and more restrictive. --
What do you mean by "more restrictive?" Unavailable for some vaccines? More of a hassle to obtain for all vaccines? Different opt-out procedures for different vaccines? Separately, are you saying that the legislature had developed the bureaucratic process for obtaining the state-issued affidavit?
-- From the buzz in 2007 in Austin, the Legislators themselves were surprised how difficult the opt out process had become, so they did not act against the portion of the Governor's EO that mad it easier and available on line. --
The legislature's reversal of Perry's EO did not implement or "avoid undoing" a Gardasil-specific opt-out. It avoided undoing "the" opt-out, the same opt-out that can be used for any vaccine. Was the legislature the entity that had set up the "you have to appear in Austin, in person, to obtain the state-issued affidavit" rule, in the first place? Or was that rule created by an administrative agency under the governor's sphere?
Here is a link to Title 25 of the Texas Administrative Code: "Immunization Requirements". The Texas Administrative Code is not promulgated by the Texas Legislature, although the legislature has mandated that the rules created by the various administrative agencies be published and made available.
The material there does show a variety of "opt out" methods, depending on the disease in question.
I believe the section that Perry is referring to is Rule 97.62 - Exclusions from Compliance, and this is the same section that I have been referring to, when asserting that the Gardasil opt-out wasn't "different from the others," and that it is a hassle.
From the notes on that section of code (which is where one finds the "internet application available"), it was adopted in 2004, and amended in December 2007.
Texas Administrate Code also has Rule 97.65 - Exceptions to Immunization Requirements, which covers a few diseases differently - as an option to "religious/medical/conscience" opt outs.
(a) Serologic confirmations of immunity to measles, rubella, mumps, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, or varicella, are acceptable. Evidence of measles, rubella, mumps, hepatitis A, or hepatitis B, or varicella illnesses must consist of a valid laboratory report that indicates confirmation of either immunity or infection. (b) A written statement from a parent (or legal guardian or managing conservator), school nurse, or physician attesting to a child's positive history of varicella disease (chickenpox), or of varicella immunity, is acceptable in lieu of a vaccine record for that disease.So, to be technically correct, there is a range of hassle for opting out. The chickenpox opt-out being the easiest.
I haven't found the text of 32 TexReg 9125, which is, I think, the publication of the "make it easier to opt out" administrative rule change instigated by Perry's EO.
All opt outs follow the same opt out process. See the DSHS link above. Even the previous infection must be documented by a physician, although in real life we tend to document on the “shot record” and I’ve never known a family to need to get the form from the State to make day care or schools happy after we document infection.
The internet acces is a direct result of the Governor’s EO.
The claim of some that parents had to go to Austin and the letter-to-request-the-form-to-the -form were a resuult - possibly unintended - of the 2005 legislation that added the philosophical option to the previous medical reasons for opting out.
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