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To: OneWingedShark

Please explain how “natural born citizen” is a subset of “citizen”?

You can find the types of statutory citizenships of the U.S.A. at www.uscis.gov., then click on ‘Citizenship’.

Natural born citizenhip is never mentioned BECAUSE it is not a type of citizenship, just an elgibility requirement to be President of the United States.


6 posted on 09/15/2011 5:55:39 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll

As an orginalist the definition would be defined as it was at the time of the Constitution. There is ample legal writings at the time and since then that define the term as being one born to two American citizen parents.

Leo Donforio. a lwayer of New Jersey, has done great work in recovering multiple legal cases and legal works that define ‘natural born’ citizen.


8 posted on 09/15/2011 6:03:57 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: SatinDoll

>Please explain how “natural born citizen” is a subset of “citizen”?
>
>You can find the types of statutory citizenships of the U.S.A. at www.uscis.gov., then click on ‘Citizenship’.

Actually you just answered it, the set Citizen is the union of the subsets of “Natural Born Citizen” and “Statutory Citizens” and “Dual Citizens.”

>Natural born citizenhip is never mentioned BECAUSE it is not a type of citizenship, just an elgibility requirement to be President of the United States.

The reason it is in the requirements to be President is because “Statutory Citizens” owed their allegiance to some foreign country (and it would not do for the commander of the Armies and Navies to have any possible allegiance to someone with whom he might have to war with... or to try to commit the forces under his command in what would otherwise be a neutral affair).


13 posted on 09/15/2011 8:28:33 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SatinDoll
Please explain how “natural born citizen” is a subset of “citizen”? ...Natural born citizenhip is never mentioned BECAUSE it is not a type of citizenship, just an elgibility requirement to be President of the United States.

The answer is simple.

First you have to decide if "an elgibility requirement to be President of the United States" is meant to be applied to "citizens," or just to anyone who happens to be here during an election cycle.

So, are presidential candidates drawn from a pool of "citizens" or not?

Once you answer that question, then you can ask if the highest office in the land was meant to be filled by any citizen or only from a more constrained pool of citizens. To discuss this point, you have to acknowledge that the Constitution does refer to "natural born Citizen." This fact cannot be ignored. We cannot discard it for conviencence.

So, what was meant by "natural born Citizen," so as to separate them from the larger pool of "citizen," assuming that we presume that only citizens can become President?

-PJ

16 posted on 09/15/2011 10:33:55 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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